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  • Lester Lester May 30, 2008 13:50 Flag

    England V FIFA

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30052008/3/fifa-congress-approve-six-plus-five-rule.html
    So for starters, we can forget hosting any international tournaments while Blatter is alive (judging by how long Havalange clung on, we will have to put up with this anglophibic toad for decades to come).
    Fortunately we have an army of European lawyers on our side who are going to make confetti out of these slimy, stupid blazers. Platini has obviously been advised, most strenuously, that they havent a prayer, but these guys live in their own thoroughly corrupt world.
    This is going to run and run as Blatter seems to think he's more important than a trivial thing like the European Union (he is swiss after all, though from the French bit which is just a bunch of tax dodging Frenchies imho).
    We already have a european super league, its called the EPL. I really hope that we utterly dominates the European cup now for years to come, 5 in a row with United winning 3 of course.

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    • Big difference is that while International players are compensated for their time with the national team, they are not their employer (like a club) so its never been tested in employment law, which is the sticking point for the EU, and why this will never see the light of day, at least the way that FIFA is putting it forward.

    • Lester, I look at your Avatar and am struck by just one thought...

      Can I call you slaphead?

    • hhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/martin_samuel/article4045636.ece
      Brian Barwick dances to the tune of Sepp Blatter - Times Online.You should read that article

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      • With the Bosman ruling the EU asserted its authority over sport and football in particular, stating that football couldn't be subject to different employment laws to other industries.

        The language that the EU representative used when referring to this issue seemed strong... "We have red-carded this proposal".

        I just can't see this happening... some clubs (Arsenal no doubt) would challenge this in court and it would be overturned.

    • I clearly remember what happened in the 1990's when a few United players represented England in a friendly against Mexico at Wembley...
      The England fans booed the United players...
      I know because I was there...
      Made me feel sick...
      Since then, I shout for whoever England are playing...
      Screw England...
      Screw England hosting the World Cup...

      ARGENTINA --- ARGENTINA --- ARGENTINA

    • If they made it the same rule for the rest of the world ok,with it being forbidden for Spain and Italy giving nationality status to Brazilians and Argentinians

    • IT IS A FACT british clubs have more difficulty getting young non european players because of work permit problems.
      hence dong sitting in belgium so long.
      italy portugal spain have far more relaxed rules which means they can fill their academies with brazillians etc...and thus the eufa scheme that the eu are willing to accept will benefit the likes of italy spain portugal and holland

    • Apart from it being a FIFA accredited competition, what on earth has the Champions League have to do with FIFA?

      The simple fact is the EU are not about to rewrite a constitution that has taken almose a decade to agree with it's Member States just to please a Swiss-German and his rants.

    • Maybe he is afraid another English club domination of the next season CL .So he try anything he can to stop these issue.
      I saw more of personal than business of him in this 6+5 rules.
      But he simply forgot the Spanish and Italy CL final before,and he never mention it.I don't know why he hates English club so much?

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      • FIFA and UEFA hate the Brits because they are the only ones (e.g. BBC - Panaroma, the Scottish FA guy who was supposed to be promoted to FIFA executive but got scuttled because he went after Blatter crony Jack Warner) who point out their corruption.

        These beaureacrats don't like the British prominence or sense of entitlement of having "created" the game and would love nothing more than to take them down a notch.

    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not Blatter's role to govern and defend the game globally? If so, has he and his cronies not thought of the consequences of his actions on football outside the EPL or Europe?

      What I'm talking about, is what is to happen to those players who are good enough to ply their trade currently in the EPL, or other European leagues, but may not be good enough once a quota is introduced. How would contries with no functioning professional leagues be able to develop players, when the ability to play in top European leagues is cut off?

      FIFA is always on about developing the game worldwide, and crowing about the fact that many more Asian and African nations are becoming competitive on the international stage, but think you'll find that success quickly drying up, when these young players no longer find opportunities to train, develop, and actually earn a living playing the game.

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      • Very good point there.

        Think it was after the World Cup that the then USA coach said they needed more players playing overseas. When players play against the best, they improve. When they play on teams with superior technical abilities, the player grows and when they go back to their respective countries, some of that bleeds back.

        By trying to forcing the major leagues to follow a 6+5 rule, guess what - many gifted players from nations with lesser footballing FAs/programmes are going to miss out on a chance to play on squads that will help them improve.

        Say you've got a player in Kenya, a team in the Premier League may be looking at him to come play with them, they see potential in him, he might get a few games a year but, with a 6+5 rule, he'd never get on at the expense of one of the non-domestic players, so they don't sign him.

        So this guy will sit in the Kenyan league or some 3rd or 4th choice league and never have his full potential known.

        At least in the U.S. there is money to grow their league but, there are so many FAs out there that don't have it. Is FIFA going to give them the money?

        I suspect a lot of FAs will go backwards because they'll have less players playing overseas with such a rule in place and there will be less and less interest in the ranks. 20 Players that may have played outside the country now are forced to stay in their league, that means 20 players that would have had a shot in their home league will have to do move down a level and so on and so on ...

        What it does come down to is not this 6+5 rule but, facilities, coaching and growing the game at the youth level. Instilling the skills and disciplines early is what is needed.

      • David, great post. Well thought out, sadly Blatter and his cronies haven't thought that far about the implications of their quota system on these foreign leagues who are also part and parcel of FIFA.

    • The Fifa Congress has voted overwhelmingly in favour of the "6+5" rule, putting Sepp Blatter, president of world football's governing body, on a collision course with European lawmakers.

      The congress, meeting in Sydney, voted 155-5 in favour of the objectives of the rule which would limit the number of foreign players who can start a match to five from 2012.

      There were 40 abstentions in the vote.

      The congress passed the resolution, asking Blatter together with European counterpart Michel Platini to "continue to explore for Europe... all possible means within the limits of the law to ensure that these crucial sporting objectives be achieved".

      However the European Union says the "6+5" rule would contravene its free movement of workers rules. "Where there is a will, there is a way. And we will try with consultation and consultation and not confrontation," Blatter told the congress.

      "I fully share the philosophy and objectives of the rule." Michel Platini, Uefa president Michel Platini, president of European soccer body Uefa, told the congress that he fully supported the philosophy of Blatter's rule and agreed with its principles.

      "It is a thorny issue. Europe is not [in] a comfortable position but we will do all we can to help the Fifa president reach this objective," Platini told the 200 assembled members.

      "[The rule] is considered illegal by the European Union. Within the football family we don't all agree. Some of the leagues were against, some in favour, clubs generally against.

      "[If the rule as it stands were implemented] then we as Uefa would find ourselves in a difficult place and could find ourselves in court.

      "I fully share the philosophy and objectives of the rule. We are in full agreement when it comes to the general idea."

      Franz Beckenbauer, chairman of Fifa's Football Committee, fully backed the quota proposals.

      "England, perhaps it is unfair but that's the way it is, is the best known example [of foreign players dominating teams]," the German told congress.

      "We need some consultation with the government authorities, especially in Europe... "

      "Three English teams in the semi-finals [of the Uefa Champions League], Manchester United and Chelsea in the final, an extraordinary match.

      "But then after the match everyone regretted a single fact. That England will not be represented at the Euro [2008 European Championships].

      "There is a reason for that," Beckenbauer said, alluding to the glut of foreign players at English clubs.

      "This is the case in other countries too. We have clubs in Germany where there are no German players on the field. That is not in the interest of football and its future."

      Blatter stressed that it was not his intention to confront lawmakers.

      "To go forward, we would say that it is the result that six players eligible to play for the national team of the country should be on the field of play at the beginning.

      "It means that with the substitutions you could have 3+8 at the end.

      "We need some consultation with the government authorities, especially in Europe, but we would propose to start a "4+7" in 2010, "5+6" in 2011 and we would be ready to apply "6+5" in 2012."

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      • given UK's visa restrictions that will create a definate imbalance to foriegn clubs with countries allowing young players into their teams and thus getting national status courtesy of residence ruling

      • Meant to comment on this before I posted it.

        So, this won't get past EU law.

        Say you have 5 English players, one Welsh/NI/Scottish, and 5 non-EU players in your starting 11; FIFA says this contravenes 6+5 rule - club objects under EU law and wins. Blatter has egg on face.

        And the fact England aren't in Euro'08 is because we delude ourselves thinking we have good players and we had a crap manager as well.

      • Meant to comment on this before I posted it.

        So, this won't get past EU law.

        Say you have 5 English players, one Welsh/NI/Scottish, and 5 non-EU players in your starting 11; FIFA says this contravenes 6+5 rule - club objects under EU law and wins. Blatter has egg on face.

        And the fact England aren't in Euro'08 is because we delude ourselves thinking we have good players and we had a crap manager as well.

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