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Its not their defence of Suarez that stinks but their continuing attempts to pressurize the fa in to banning Evra - their latest claim is that Evra used "abusive" language towards Suarez. If every player who used abusive, as opposed to racist language on the pitch was banned clubs would struggle to field a team. Liverpool`s attempts to get Evra banned are on a par with the waving of an imaginery card by players who are attempting to get an opponent booked and are equally unacceptable. Indeed I am struggling to recall any other attempts by a club to get a player banned. Clubs often draw incidents to the fa`s attention but I think they usually stop short of telling them to ban the players involved.
In some ways Devon I agree with you.
Wording it at the end of the statement seemed to me at best an attempt to get Evra some form of punishment and, at worst, an attempt to draw attention away from Suarez.
It does give the FA a problem though. If Evra has admitted to abusing Suarez then they can either ignore it (confirming that it is fine to abuse players in any way you see fit as long as you don't refer to their race) or charge him. What do you think they should do?
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This case has never been about abuse on the pitch. It's been about racist abuse on the pitch. If Evra didn't racially abuse Suarez then LFC are way out of line in trying to get him punished.
At the moment no one has officially accused Evra of abusing anyone and if anyone did then we'd venture in to the theatre of the absurd.
Every match would have half a dozen cases - how many times do you see a player swearing at an opponent who's just made a bad tackle or dived, etc?
I think the Liverpool statement is a bit childish and amateurish.
I have wondered what I would expect United to do if the 'boot was on the other foot'.
I would expect them to be generally supportive of their player ( Cantona's kick). I would expect them to be cautious about making public statements about appeals until legal advice was carefully weighed as the FA have a habit of increasing rather than decreasing punishments on appeal.
I would hope and expect them not to indulge in petulant accusations of other players of clubs. This just makes you look cheap.
On this basis Liverpool have over-stepped their reaction by the fairly direct attack on Evra and by inference from the way its worded , United. I have some sympathy with their reaction to losing their star forward for so many matches, but they have over-reacted. As a club they have responsibilities for the conduct of their fans in future matches against United, this does nothing but harm.
Two other thoughts. Firstly Liverpool's US owners will take a very dim view of employing a convicted 'racist'. They are very sensitive to this sort of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if there is pressure to remove him from the payroll.
Secondly, Suarez has 'history' for fairly horrible behaviour. He was suspended for 7 games in Holland for biting an opponent. Of course we all remember his 'sporting behaviour' in the last world cup. He is a very good footballer, but is a nasty piece of work.
ILiverpool are being ridiculous. I mean, Suarez himself has already confessed to using the N-word towards Evra, and they still think Evra is tellling lies and even want to get him banned! I know Evra is no saint either but Liverpool have made an absolute mockery of themselves with htier latest actions.
I am not sure I'd say Liverpool are a disgrace (although I do dislike them, as our rivals). I think they are clearly hury by this ban and want to get their point across and hope to reduce the length of the ban.
You say abusive language is used all the time in games. But is that right? Why is racist abuse worse than, say, calling someone a homo or a fat b******? All abusive language aimed at someone because of their appearance or sexual preference is as bad as each other in my opinion.
If you call someone a fat c****, is that not as bad as calling them a black c****? The PC brigade will say the former is not as bad as the latter. But I'm not so sure. Both are based on what the person slinging the insult sees as the easiest nominator of a difference between themselves and that person.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'd also like to say I kind of agree with some of spursbabes's comments in a different thread. Black/Pakistani racism against whites aren't reported on.
And it seems acceptable to sling insults about being Welsh, Scottish, Irish.
Authorities should generally resist acting in an authoritarian or nannying way. They should resist getting involved in private stuff between individuals when they can. On the football pitch, general chitchat between players including each other names is not something the referee or FA should get involved with. However, if it is directed at the referee the players should be instantly penalised. For example, telling the ref to f*** o** should be a straight red card. Players saying it to each other should be ignored.
Rightly or wrongly we have laws concerning racism, sexism, religionism, disabledism and various other isms I've forgotten. Also, we have a history of racism in sport which the football authorities are putting some effort into countering. So it seems appropriate that if players racially abuse, or abuse in other ways, other players that the authorities should regard this as something more serious and not to be allowed in football.
And that's why I see it as appropriate to charge Suarez and Terry on the one hand, but not Evra on the other.
Wasn't a player once charged with making homophobic remarks or gestures at Graeme Le Saux? What happened then?
I don't normally agree with anything the hacks at Yahoo! come up with, but I agree 100% with their comments about Liverpool's disgraceful statement in the wake of Suarez being found guilty.
I think you are also bang on, dev.
This is certainly a can or worms but it's totally unrealistic to expect the FA to investigate every bit of verbals that goes on in football. This incident is exceptional because of the racial element. So is the Terry case. The fact that Terry plainly called Ferdinand a "fucking knob head" is not of interest. The only thing of interest is whether when Terry apparently used the word "black" it was part of an insult. Nothing else would seem to matter.
I dunno if you're right in what you think the police would do or if you're right that the FA would behave in the same way.
My view, for what it's worth, is that the FA should say that any form of verbal abuse of one player to another is wrong and should be punished (I think their own rules already cover it). In the same way I think that any form of cheating (not just diving) should be punished.
Fans/regulators/players and commentators seem to have gotten used to "the way it is" in our game and don't seek to challenge it.
"however further comments which appear to have come out of Anfield say that Suarez is a victim of his own honesty in that he could have chosen to keep stum but instead admitted to using the n word once"
If that is true it is damning and disappointing in the extreme. I have just gone to the official website and can't find it anywhere - could you tell me where you have seen/heard it?
I agree that the fa and/or Liverpool should publish the reasons behind the decision.
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