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Its not their defence of Suarez that stinks but their continuing attempts to pressurize the fa in to banning Evra - their latest claim is that Evra used "abusive" language towards Suarez. If every player who used abusive, as opposed to racist language on the pitch was banned clubs would struggle to field a team. Liverpool`s attempts to get Evra banned are on a par with the waving of an imaginery card by players who are attempting to get an opponent booked and are equally unacceptable. Indeed I am struggling to recall any other attempts by a club to get a player banned. Clubs often draw incidents to the fa`s attention but I think they usually stop short of telling them to ban the players involved.
ILiverpool are being ridiculous. I mean, Suarez himself has already confessed to using the N-word towards Evra, and they still think Evra is tellling lies and even want to get him banned! I know Evra is no saint either but Liverpool have made an absolute mockery of themselves with htier latest actions.
I think you're referring to Robbie Fowler and I seem to remember he got done for it.
I understand your position but have a couple of comments on your post ...
"And that's why I see it as appropriate to charge Suarez and Terry on the one hand, but not Evra on the other."
Why - do you know what Evra admitted to saying in his evidence. If not, then why are you assuming it is not appropriate to charge Suarez?
"we have laws concerning racism ... it seems appropriate that if players racially abuse, or abuse in other ways, other players that the authorities should regard this as something more serious"
And yet you think it's wrong for the police to get involved with the JT case?
Authorities should generally resist acting in an authoritarian or nannying way. They should resist getting involved in private stuff between individuals when they can. On the football pitch, general chitchat between players including each other names is not something the referee or FA should get involved with. However, if it is directed at the referee the players should be instantly penalised. For example, telling the ref to f*** o** should be a straight red card. Players saying it to each other should be ignored.
Rightly or wrongly we have laws concerning racism, sexism, religionism, disabledism and various other isms I've forgotten. Also, we have a history of racism in sport which the football authorities are putting some effort into countering. So it seems appropriate that if players racially abuse, or abuse in other ways, other players that the authorities should regard this as something more serious and not to be allowed in football.
And that's why I see it as appropriate to charge Suarez and Terry on the one hand, but not Evra on the other.
Wasn't a player once charged with making homophobic remarks or gestures at Graeme Le Saux? What happened then?
I am not sure I'd say Liverpool are a disgrace (although I do dislike them, as our rivals). I think they are clearly hury by this ban and want to get their point across and hope to reduce the length of the ban.
You say abusive language is used all the time in games. But is that right? Why is racist abuse worse than, say, calling someone a homo or a fat b******? All abusive language aimed at someone because of their appearance or sexual preference is as bad as each other in my opinion.
If you call someone a fat c****, is that not as bad as calling them a black c****? The PC brigade will say the former is not as bad as the latter. But I'm not so sure. Both are based on what the person slinging the insult sees as the easiest nominator of a difference between themselves and that person.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'd also like to say I kind of agree with some of spursbabes's comments in a different thread. Black/Pakistani racism against whites aren't reported on.
And it seems acceptable to sling insults about being Welsh, Scottish, Irish.
I don't normally agree with anything the hacks at Yahoo! come up with, but I agree 100% with their comments about Liverpool's disgraceful statement in the wake of Suarez being found guilty.
I think you are also bang on, dev.
I dunno if you're right in what you think the police would do or if you're right that the FA would behave in the same way.
My view, for what it's worth, is that the FA should say that any form of verbal abuse of one player to another is wrong and should be punished (I think their own rules already cover it). In the same way I think that any form of cheating (not just diving) should be punished.
Fans/regulators/players and commentators seem to have gotten used to "the way it is" in our game and don't seek to challenge it.
"however further comments which appear to have come out of Anfield say that Suarez is a victim of his own honesty in that he could have chosen to keep stum but instead admitted to using the n word once"
If that is true it is damning and disappointing in the extreme. I have just gone to the official website and can't find it anywhere - could you tell me where you have seen/heard it?
I agree that the fa and/or Liverpool should publish the reasons behind the decision.
Hi again Butterfly
I don't know what the Evra remark was (do you?) so I am not able to compare them. That said, given that Liverpool's statement didn't refer to race, then I assume it wasn't as serious.
But that isn't my point. I've already said that I think Liverpool were wrong to raise this in the context of the Suarez decision (although, without knowing what he said, I'm not going to say that they were wrong to raise it at all).
My point is that, given that it has been raised, it does cause a problem for the FA. If they charge then they open themselves up to having to charge lots of individuals (as other posters have pointed out). If they don't charge, then they are saying some forms of abuse are acceptable whilst others are not.
What do you think?
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