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  • dsteer_lfc_68 dsteer_lfc_68 May 10, 2013 19:14 Flag


    I've not been on the utd board in a while (this new format drives me mad) but with the changes at your club it brings up all sorts of interesting discussion points.

    While obviously there is no love lost from me for utd or Fergie there is admiration. One of the keys in my mind has been the stability he brought to the club, but also the patience the club had for him. Remember he was not an instant success but built things the old fashion way.

    Now it seems clear the Moyes pick embodies that, which I think is admirable. The fact Moyes inherits a very good team means I doubt major rebuilding is required, or risky moves by the new gaffer have to be undertaken. The fact he has a 6 year contract suggests the club wants to provide the same security and patience they showed SAF.

    However the question is was the stability you had from Fergie or was it from the club (remember you were not afraid of letting managers go before when they dipped). I'm not suggesting this will happen, but how much patience will there be from the club (and fans) if City and or Chelsea provide a stiff challenge next term as you don't retain the crown? What if Europe is a learning curve that requires more than one season? What if he does spend but, like what can happen to all manages, money spent does not translate into instant value on the pitch? Moyes has been very good at getting cheap players to play above their pay grade, but its a very different task when your shopping from the top shelf.

    Now personally I think the club will give him at least a second season even if the worst happened and you came up without a pot next term, however I'm not sure sure all the fans would be so forgiving. I'm also not sure about the club; the likes of Fergie and Charlton on the board will advocate sticking, but what happens to the share price, what noises do the sponsors make, and who whispers what to the owners with Gill also gone. For me Fergie moving on is a turning of the chapters in football history, but I also hope it does not rule out the running of clubs the old fashion way where success is built up rather than bought off the shelf with chops and changes a la Chelsea, or Real Madrid.

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    • Its a good question. If SAF was here next year he would be facing huge challenges. City would surely rebound, Chelsea if Mourinho comes will be rejuvenated. There are flaws in our squad too. So whilst we had a fantastic season, in some ways i think we over achieved. So to your question i think he deserves not so much a grace period, but a genuine chance. Its a huge upheval for some of the squad , imagine Giggs having played his entire career under SAF. But Ferdinand, Carrick, Vidic all the players we call upon for experience, will have to get used to a new gaffer. But from what ive read Moyes is an excellent man manager and coach, so hopefully it will be smooth. As for Europe, we. Know its not easy to win, its a goal, but not a reason to sack a manager. I hope and believe he will be judged by League Titles. Obviously some will jump on every defeat and mistake, especially online. But its not beyond the realms of possibility that United.improve under Moyes. SAF has in my opinion neglected central midfield for a while. I think he will get 2 or 3 Wenger seasons, top 4 finishes. But i can see great things under Moyes.

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      • Steve on a coaching front and man management front I don't see things changing too much for you under Moyes, although I do question Moyes's tactics at times of not going for a win, but settling for a battle for a point. However that might be just his realism based on the limitations of his squad, but it could impact the late goals that have been so influential in many season for you (will there be Moyes time to replace Fergie time?)

        But I think the areas he's untested will be the first areas where people will focus. How does he manage the likes of Rooney (or others who might want to leave), will he be ruthless when a player is not good enough (when do the likes of Giggs, Rio, Evra, etc no longer factor), and how well will he spend (he's done a great job shopping from the bottom shelf, but its a bit more tricky getting value from the top shelf?).

        Personally I think he should be given at least 2 years, even if those are as you say seasons where you only win the Wenger cup (top 4 finish only). But I do wonder if the stability you've had, which I think is a major factor in your success, is something that comes from the club and therefore will continue, or whether it was from SAF just because he became unsackable.

        I do hope its the former and not the latter, as I think that is how all clubs should be run (even if part of me wishes it was not how you were run!), and if it is the latter the day Man U starts chopping and changing I think will be soon followed by the end of Wenger (who along with SAF and Moyes are the only tenured managers), and the days of building a team for success will be replaced with the Stamford bridge/Etihad model of buy a team for success. That for me will be a sad day.

      • When i say 'get' 2 or 3 Wenger seasons, i meant 'get forgiven for' i think he will do well.