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  • Alan H Alan H Oct 16, 2011 22:13 Flag

    What Do You Guys Think

    Just thought I'd run this one past you because your fans have been through the mill with Bates etc and team performance. A section of the crowd at Pools against Wickham booed the team off the field and I don't blame them, they were absolute shyte. But then another section turned on them saying you never boo your own team regardless and it almost came to blows.
    I don't know, for me if you pay your money your entitled to voice your opinion.

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    • Hi guys, John from Cyprus, I havent been around for a while but now I am back (and before you ask, NO I havent been in prison lol) having supported Leeds man and boy I understand the frustration Leeds fans go through but is the booing to the team or the performance. Yes everyone can do better!!! but at the end of the day following your team isnt cheap and alot of those guys travel all over with Leeds so YES I think they are intitled to frent the frustratoin out on people who probably earn more in a month then alot of the supporters earn in a year. Sorry if this offends anyone

      • 1 Reply to John J
      • I do not think we should retain Howson in the team just to ensure that he signs a new contract; indeed, his failings in a 4-4-2 formation are a serious one, and perhaps they show that his bargaining and wage demands should be slightly diminished.

        We played Johnson, Kilkenny and Beckford until the end and they still left; what's to say Howson won't do the same? I think the time has come to stick Varynen into a starting spot, he can push forward when necessary but also knows how to hold back...

    • Last night, a large section of the small attendance at ER booed Leeds. It was a reaction to a disappointing result - I imagine it was the same as Pools' fans.
      When your team puts in a poor performance, even if it is only in the last 20 minutes of a game, it is part of football for fans to confirm, what the team already knows, that they have let the side down - applauding failure, unless it is heroic, leads to more failure.
      Leeds' failure to secure three points from an average Coventry side was not heroic. It was down to Simon Grayson's lack of tactical nous.
      In the second half, Coventry switched to a 4-5-1 formation and flooded the midfield and began to force Leeds back into our own half. Instead of countering this tactic, Simon changed everything but the midfield!
      No one was booing individual players, not even Rachubka for his fumble, but the composition of the team and how it retreated to a defensive position when every man and his dog could see that our best defence was attack, as it had been in the first half, and that our midfield had to keep supplying it.
      Taking our best players (McCormack, Keogh, and Snodgrass) off, and ignoring the midfield imbalance, was like committing tactical suicide.
      If supporters can see what is going wrong in a game and the manager cannot, is this not a reason vent frustrations by booing?
      I also think that the capitulation to Coventry was down to not having a commanding captain on the field. Howson, at this stage in his career, is not captain material; just another out of position player in the team.

      • 1 Reply to Andrew
      • Catch 22 Andy I think that SG finds himself in a difficult and delicate position with Howson. As club captain his current form is not up to scratch. He is in ongoing talks with Harvey and Co endeavouring to negotiate a new contract which at the moment seems to have stalled. Does SG grasp the nettle and drop his captain and run the risk of loosing him at the end of the season or hope that his form improves. At the moment he is the weakest link in our midfield set-up showing little signs of improvement. I have a feeling that the lad will be away come January. Shame really.. However if SG has the bottle to drop him who replaces him in midfield that is currently in better form ?? You are right in the fact that Johnny is not a leader on the field but as you know that is only a part of being club captain. Lucas R was never very vocal but led by example and he was surrounded by good players. If Johnny's form was up to scratch then we would not be having this discussion so IMO we should cut the lad a bit of slack and allow him to regain his form. I sincerely hope he does and remains at ER but that remains to be seen whether Harvey and Co want him to stay or are they trying to push the lad out knowing that he is being eyed up by others. MOT with Johnny Howson I hope

    • Can you all remember Mark Aizlewood and what happened? Not a pretty sight it can really work against the team, Boo at the end if your going to boo.

    • Alan, Booing and giving the Thumbs down is a fairly mild form of voicing ones disgust at your teams performance! Remarks such as "Your Not Fit To Wear The Shirt" or "What the Fusck are You doing"? are really only opinions, which as we know everybody has one! The use of the term "Fusck" cannot be seen as abuse in this day and age, when it is used universally by the Americans in whatever contewxt they feel like and the Media/TV also seem to be fairly liberal with their use of four letter words these days! A few year ago I use to travel from germany to Seminars in the UK and on a few occasions by bus! The name of the company did not cause any funny looks or remarks in Germany but in the UK it was a different kettle of Fish! The name of the Bus Company? Would you believe F_U_C_K_E_R! When asked if I was travelling on that Bus, my answer was yes I am travelling on that F___________R! The use of more verbal and physical forms of abuse, personal slagging off etc is to be discouraged and banned from Sports events as it has no place in a civilised society, the same as people who throw things at players, especially Goalkeepers is a dsigrace and should the culprits be caught severly punished! To voice your disgust is normal when as Peter and Lotto say fans pay alot of hard earned cash to watch these games! The Players receive more than adequate compensation for their time and efforts and when they do not or cannot provide the goods, not the same as winning by the way, by giving of their best then they should expect some signs of disgruntlement from the fans, otherwise they will think it is acceptable to put in a poor performance! It is no use them coming and saying, oh I had a bad day, my wife left me, I have toothache etc etc! We as normal cannot use these excuses at work and expect the bosses to swallow em! They sign a contract for a certain length of time on the promise they will provide the goods for a particular amount of compensation for their time and efforts! So it should be Play Up before we Pay Up!

      • 1 Reply to Easyrider2609
      • Mammoth post Easy. Excellent points on the matter. Many moons ago I went down to a mid week match to watch the lads play Bury when we were in a relegation dog fight to stay in the then second division. There was a young lad a wee boy and he was playing on the wing at the time. He was having a bad night. As the match progressed nothing improved and the crowd continued to barrack him, The ball went out of play just in front of us, the young lad bent down to pick the ball up and as he stood up you could see the tears welling up as the abuse continued. Get him off, he's bloody useless, came ringing out from just behind me, the lad looked around and carried on until the match finished. Our manager came over to the lad and put his arm around him and led him off the pitch. The manager was The Don and the wee lad with the ginger crop was Billy B a homesick young lad a long way from home "the legend that we know and now revere" .Enough said on the matter. If you are a true fan you take the rough with the smooth, the good with the bad. If fans don't like what they see let them stay away and become fair-weather supporters, rather than voice their disapproval vocally. IMO it achieves nothing.

    • While I respect the loyalty of those who stood by the team, the passion of sport and the entry price entitles you to voice your opinion... within reason.

      Anybody else read about SG in The Sun?