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  • A Yahoo! User Feb 5, 2009 04:09 Flag

    A Spurs win against Arsenal - What it really means!

    Evening all,

    I know this is like stating the bleeding obvious but I have looked at several Spurs/Arsenal postings on here and also on the Gooners board and I have come to the conclusion that this result means more to us then it does to the Gooners!

    They simply see it as just another game and probably don't think or care about it as much as we do as they did 10-15 years ago.

    I just hope that the current crop of Spurs players realise what it really means to us the Supporters who very often sacrifice everything to following the team through thick and thin ( our crowds never seem to drop below 35,000 even though we are down in the mire ).

    I hate to make predictions on a game where there is so much pride at stake, but I think on Sunday this pride will shine through and we will get that much needed win and 3 points to consolidate our EPL position.

    My prediction therefore will be 2-1 to the Lillywhites!


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    • totally agree with you that is why i'm sick of making the point hudd is in the same as hoddle just a born footballer he has the chance to be one of our greatest he just won't get a chance while we watch the others ball chasing if he was playing week in week out strikers would be on 20 goals a season no worries look how well he played when harry 1st come

    • Yes John I do agree,

      The players I mentioned in my earlier post were from when I was a starry-eyed youth going to WHL. They were the kind of players that would give everything to get success for the famous White Shirt.

      Of course there have been others more recently with the likes of Gary Mabbutt & Graham Roberts just to name but two - I'm sure that there have been more ( but in the 1970's Tottenham Hotspur had the players that wore the shirt with so much pride would not have dreamt of commiting the cardinal sin by deserting the club for Arsenal or Man United a-la Campbell & Berbatov ).

    • there is a story told by blanchflower about greavsy....nicholson always moaned that he didn't work hard enough.....danny said 'but he got 4 goals today nick...'but he didn't do anything 'complained nicholson....blanchflower said 'he doesn't need to ....he is a genius...a born goalscorer ....be grateful!'
      Hoddle was the same ....he didn't have to sweat ....but they wanted to see him run around like lesser mortals....the spurs manager left him alone ...let him play his way....but stupid greenwood and robson didn't get the best out of him....pity
      do you remember that world cup game when wilkins wasc sent off and by necessity hoddle became the midfild general....he made england come alive....unlike 'crab'
      wilkins who could pass sideway.....he was wasted

    • This is a huge game for spurs IMO. The arch rivalry between the two clubs is massive for Spurs fans even if some of the Arsenal have forgotten that. this Spurs chance to make a real damaging blow to Arsenal. Chances are Aston Villa will win their match this weekend and if Spurs can do the do then thats 8 points clear Aston Villa will be. A decent advantage! if it finishes like that then no Champions League for Arsenal...no new signings and plenty of talent leaving for other clubs.

      This is the best chance Spurs have had to do some proper damage to Arsenal in years! I sense the tables may be turning!


    • Fair play John but the original point I was making was to Wolfies assertion that Hoddle would sweat blood for the team and whilst I think he was a truly gifted player I do not agree with him being a battler.

      Every team needs a balance of workers like Perryman and flare players like Hoddle. When yuo are where we are at the moment you look to your workers to make sure you don't let in goals and lose 1 - 0 and hope you have enough "Hoddles" still on the pitch to produce a moment of genius and nick a 1 - 0 win.

      Ralph Coates - the antithesis of the modern PL player. Short, overweight, scruffy, Rab C Nesbitt hair and the shortest inside leg measurement in the history of football (apart from Johnny Giles of course) but I wouldn't have swapped him for anybody no matter what. Memories!!!

    • I think there should be a forum for the 'old codgers' - full of 'do you remember...', 'it wasn't like that in my day...', 'these kids don't know they're born...', 'orange footballs...', '...old brown footballs at the Dell...', '...Moses said to me'...

      type threads...now that would brighten up my day - I could spend what's left of my days living in the past ;-)!

      PS and you'd obviously never remember the bad times, the crap players, the relegation fights (and losing)...just those 'nice' days where G_d looked down and smiled on WHL.....(or was he laughing - hard to tell from this distance)....

    • Wolfie (do you remember that as well?),
      Don't you think that the 'one club' mentatlity has gone - agreed - but you still get the type of player who gives their all for the team that they're currently with?

      Teddy Sheringham
      Robbie Keane
      Nicky Butt
      Paul Ince
      David Ginola

      and I think that is also what 'arry saw in that obnoxious git Bellamy...

      But I must admit, for every player like that, you can name a dozen who seem just to be in it for the money and fame...

    • ...yes but...did Hoddle have to work? I would rather have a Perryman in the team who did that 'work' stuff, give the ball to Hoddle, who then had the vision and skill to crucify teams.

      That was why Hoddle never got the games for England that his talent so richly deserved - he was perceived as being to lazy and eveyone else in the England squad never looked to Hoddle once they had the ball. To me Robson was a work horse - great he worked and sweated - but what flashes of absolute brilliance...

      Whan someone says 'sweats blood and tears' I would include Hoddle - nothing to do with work rate, all to do with mentality. J Greaves in the same mold..lazy, selfish, but totally brilliant. I hate to say it but Berbatov's the same - look at him - laconic - but when he turns on that style isn't that what you go to see football for?

    • I dont think Ralph could afford to cut his hair sfer....he only had about 3!
      Those wind swept stadiums with big open corners were a nightmare for the comb over brigade in the 70's

    • Chivers - now there was a conundrum. I just think that he was too nice a bloke to really be a footballing great. he had the attributes but lacked that killer insitinct.

      As for Hoddle bleeding sweat for the cause - I must have been seeing a different person. At the time he was constantly being critised in the press and by the supporters for not tracking back and tackling. Great player on the ball agreed but work rate! Don't think so.

      What about Ralph Coates! Wouldn't get a game now unless he cut his hair and tried to look like all the other prima donnas.

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