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  • A Yahoo! User Oct 31, 2009 21:41 Flag

    3-0......The gulf in CLASS was OBVIOUS

    Arsenal put the Yids in their place....

    It could have been MORE if not for our wastefulness in front of goal.

    Count yourselves LUCKY.

    Spud will ALWAYS be in our shadows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    C'mon ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • I'm almost vomiting as I say this but fair play, better team won. I was optimistic after the first 42 minutes, dissapointed after conceeding, but bloody seething only seconds later. Thats where Arsenal killed us off, the second, and it was appauling by us. After the first goal we showed no fight. Fabergrass said it right, we rolled over belly up, and thats the most infuriating thing of all.

      Still, the most important thing now is that the team look forward, try and see today as just a game lost, doesn't matter to whom (not that we see it that way of course). We really need a good kick start as we have been very shaky for the last 6 games or so. The worst thing that can happen is if the players let their heads drop. And I think we need a big name in the January transfer market. And i mean a big name. Real quality. Left or centre mid. If Modric is going to be playing on the left when fit, then go for a centre - because for me Jenas doesn't cut it. The amount of times he was sloppy today just sums him up. Some people on here go on about Corluka or BAE, saying we need better full backs, but I'm sorry that is not where we are most lacking. They are good full backs and even did okay today despite the scoreline. I don't remember them being at fault for any of the goals - although the second was a group effort :(
      If Harry is playing Keane on the left then for me, we have an issue. He just bought cover for the left, but didn't play him today, instead putting a forward in that position. And this effected Keane's game. He's getting a lot of stick at the moment but to be fair he's doing a job asked of him, and it isn't showing him in the best light. I've also been a long time defencer of Pav, and whilst he hasn't had much of a chance recently, today from what I saw we should let him go. No fight. No fire. No point.

      So pleanty to grumble about, but our season isn't over yet. We need to lift our heads and finish the year strong.

      Again, fair paly to Arsenal. I'd have been bragging like hell had we won, so have to expect it back. You lot are looking really strong at the moment. And it makes me sick.... ;)

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      • Agree with all you say Lee, and yes galling as it is to say it the best team won by a country mile. For some reason though I didn't think the game had its usual North London derby fire, especially compared to last season's cracking 4-4 draw.

        I'm not a fan of Andy Gray by any stretch of the imagination but he was spot on when he said that both King and Bassong were at fault for the first 2 goals - specifically that they should never have gone to ground when making their tackles. To have conceded 2 goals within a couple of minutes was just appalling (and much as it grates to admit it, I reckon Fabregas's effort should be a contender for goal of the month considering he ran with the ball from the halfway line). Up until then our defence was holding up well, though I have to say that I don't think that Ledley is up to the task anymore - he made some terrible mistakes and his passing was poor at times. That said, the passing in general was poor from more than a few of our players.

        Gomes had a blinding game and but for him the scoreline would have been more than 3-0. And we really should have tested Almunia more when we had the chance to see if he was back to full fitness as I thought he looked quite shaky at times.

        Time to draw a line and move on - Defoe has served his 3-match ban so will be back for next week's game, and hopefully Lennon will be fit again too. They may only be little guys but they add that pace we were clearly missing today. With Modric also missing it was patently obvious that without them we were never going to play the attacking football we started the season with. But 3 men don't make a whole team and collectively there's a lot to be done if we're to maintain a push for CL or even UEFA Cup qualification.

      • this defeat was so obviously coming.
        we arent good enough for top 4 by a long way & we will do really well to get that 6th spot with this team.
        im suprised from our starting 11 people thought we even had a sniff of getting a draw.
        we could easily be in the bottom half in a few wks so im just hoping we regroup, make 3 or 4 changes in january & secure 6th spot.
        then build from there.

        out- corluka, jenas or hudd, pav
        in- muntari,parker, a good right bk who isnt as slow as a camel.

        this wasnt just 1 off bad performance like some of u wil say.
        we lack the quality & squad depth to even challenge for 4th.

    • A gulf today in the second half, but Harry will still be right you'll end up at best third or fourth best again this season no matter what wenger does.
      Unfortunately I disagree with Harry's pre-match tactics, think the hype may have got to his head again
      Shocking defending has cost us yet again! and unfortunately you do have to question ledley's and others performances against one of the top four,time and time again players in vital positions have gone missing!! Modric would have made all the difference, COYS!

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      • Yes we were well and truly stuffed today.

        10 years without a league win over the scum is realy hurting.

        But think on this gooner scum, you have the bragging rights for another season ( although I think revenge will be ours at WHL ) and you have every right to be smug and arrogant ( you know no other way) over todays result. But come the end of another trophy free season this will all be so insignificant..........COYS

    • WTF the first and second goals were school boy stuff.I dint expect to win but that was bullshit.
      Sorry Pav goodbye and see ya later Bale.
      Were not good enough for a top 4 place at the moment
      I thought Gomes played a blinder.
      COYS (next season)

    • have to feel them though - that's a full ten years now since they've beaten you in the PL

    • A gulf today in the second half, but Harry will still be right you'll end up at best third or fourth best again this season no matter what wenger does.
      Unfortunately I disagree with Harry's pre-match tactics, think the hype may have got to his head again
      Shocking defending has cost us yet again! and unfortunately you do have to question ledley's and others performances against one of the top four,time and time again players in vital positions have gone missing!! Modric would have made all the difference, COYS!

    • I watched the youtube link, but I've seen that goal a lot. Fully admit Drogba did him for pace, but for me Corluka didn't give up, got back well and put in a really good challange - he was desperately unlucky the ball happened to come back for Drogba and roll around the keeper. Lets face it, Corluka is very slow, but there aren't many defenders Drogba wouldn't do for pace. Wont argue the Cole goal though, he was fully at fault there. But for me, not the Ballack one. He wasn't totally blameless but for me it wasn't an individual error, more poor from our whole back 4. But I don't remember this one too well, so am ready to stand corrected.
      The Zokora point was just to highlight that Corluka kept a lid on one of the most promising, quickest wingers in the country.

      As for Johnson, I can't name the individual mistakes (except for the England howler) as I don't watch them enough - but I have a few Liverpool friends who tell me that, defensively, he isn;t cutting it and gets caught out a lot.

      So we're not going to agree on Corluka, no harm in that, bit of debate is good. Now I just have to wait for the Sunderland game where he puts in 3 own goals so I can never show my face here again.

      Agree with the other points though - I think if we can get Keane playing as a striker again we'll see the best of him. I know a lot want rid of him, and I can understand why, but he is doing a job asked of him I think. Hopefully if he can get back into the poisiton he's best at we'll see him fly, as he did when he got 4 a few games ago.

      BAE - I agree we should stick with him. Showing pleanty of promise. A few casual errors, as you rightly say, but if he can get his concentration sorted I think he'll do well.

    • The sluggish way your guys took the centre kick after the first goal was laughable though chaps and chapesses and when Fab did what he did it was game over Psychologically for you lot.

      Couldn't agree more, it was pretty pathetic to be honest. Really poor.

      And I agree with your point re: Krancjar - I don't understand why we shelled out for him if Harry doesn't fancy him in the big games. For me we can't afford to keep playing Keane there.

      At the minute there is really only you lot and Chelsea playing well in the traditional top four, even though Man U are still picking up the points. I'm hoping Liverpool keep on slipping and maybe, hopefully, we could pip Man City or Villa to fourth. A yid can dream.

    • sorry but corluka isnt good enough.
      yes he may have been ok yesterday but i think if u look at all of this season he has made countless errors.
      he quakes in his boots when any one with a bit of pace or skill runs at him. he gets caught out of position so often (look at pompey goal, he didnt even know prince was behind him).

      he never offers anything going foward, look at the best full bks in football. they have pace, dribbling ability & can cross a ball.
      he cant do any of the 3.

      its alright to simplify football like u have done & say he didnt make any mistakes yesterday.
      if thats your reasoning then we might as well kept gunter, he didnt make any noticable errors.
      but we sold him, why?- coz harry knew he didnt offer enough going foward & he didnt make any great tackles.
      he was a solid RB who cant attack.
      that would have been good 10yrs ago, but now u need a pacy full bk who can support your winger.

      u have to use your brain more & think of less obvious things like he didnt make an error yesterday.
      for example- lennon- he has it all to do on his own down the right & when u think how well he does imagine how much better he would do with a supporting RB who can overlap & make good runs to open up gaps for him.
      but instead lennon has to beat 2 men each time just to get a pass or cross in.

      im not saying corlukas rubbish but he is a mid table team player.
      this is clear by the fact when we play a top team he is easily exposed (rooney,drogba made him look awful)

      look at our right side yesterday- bentley & corluka- jesus- this must be the slowest wing attack ever!

      arsenal could have put senderson at RB & he would have been quicker then both of them.

    • I reckon Harry should have played Krancjar and Pavlechenko from the off myself.

      I agree with Harry in that you guys were playing well up until we scored and you could well of had a goal before us and no doubt it would have been a different game then if you had.

      The sluggish way your guys took the centre kick after the first goal was laughable though chaps and chapesses and when Fab did what he did it was game over Psychologically for you lot.

      Roll on the next NL Derby!

    • I predicted to lose 3-1 so was close.

      Firstly I think we have once again been overhyped by all.
      We have improved in some respect as a squad. Howevers I do not feel we playing consistantly all round strong performances.

      Keeper Gomes ( not a problem, but would help if defence wernt so bad.)

      King should not start. its about time we gave dawson a run in the first team. He gives 100% all the time and will improve even more with a good run.

      Corluka. A joke. to slow for the prem. he runs like his trousers have fallen around his bloody ankles.

      Ekotto; much improved, most consitant. would be even better in a more solid back four.

      jenas: Get rid. Can someone please count how many times he gives the ball away with his slack passing.

      Hudds; great against the lower teams: not good enough against the big teams.

      Pav: he is mentally ruined. Has not adjusted to the change inculture and needed a long run inn the team ages ago. Too late to save him now i fear.

      keane: needs replacing now. we cannot rely on him any more.

      Crouch: good but ruins our style of play when starts games.

      harry redknapp: I am worried his line ups are suspect. why buy Krancjar and play palacios on left. An absolute joke. i was stunned at the midfield that started. Wenger puts faith in the youngsters harry is not going to get performances until he shows faith or some balls to play a left footer on the left.

      Arsenal still play some of the best football. Not because of the individuals but the team spirit and the faith Wenger has in his players ability.

      UMMMM breath. Im ok seriously

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