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  • Jlock Jlock Nov 9, 2009 16:38 Flag

    Top Four - HR?

    'arry is still of the opinion that a top four slot is a possibility.
    It must be me, but (IMHO) our performances belie our position.
    He may be right, if we keep riding our luck and getting results against the run of play, but on a couple of the recent performances, I wouldn't put us in the top 6, let alone 4.
    OK, you can quote missing players, but as said on many occassions - the modern game is a squad game - so we must have a squad capable of the top 4 to achieve it. I don't think we're that far off, we just seem to lack ideas (after the hoof it Crouch approach) - and playing Keane as a Modric replacement just don't work.
    I though Hudd would step up to the plate and show what he can do - but even after a few consecutive games, he's still not grabbing hold of games like he should.

    Realistically, where do you lot think we'll end up? Do you go along with this top four bit?

    PS as for Daffy, did anyone else think that he appeared to intentionally leave his foot in with Craig Gordon? I know he's not my favourite, but at times he shows a really nasty streak as well.

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    • Thank you John and Old Fan - its nice to be back.

      I have never really been a Hudd fan. He so often fails to live up to his potential but more importantly I have played in too many teams where the laid back "can't care less" attitude of one or two players in the team has had a demoralising effect on the others. He has had more than enough time and opportunities to prove himself and he has failed to do that IMHO of course.

      I agree with you John that it certainly appears to be the case that since Crouch came in we have played the long high ball far more often and that is not a good thing obviously. I also agree that Crouch is better with his feet than with his head anyway which begs the question - why do our players think it is a good idea to continue to pump the ball into the opponents half when he is on the pitch? Also, I do not think that Crouch being on the park is an excuse for any player (especially one so "talented" as Hudd) to see that as a good enough reason to play against their natural style and start playing like Accrington Stanley.

      As far as injuries are concerened I don't go along with the general idea of "just wait til they come back". We should have a big enough and talented enough squad for a couple of injuries not to make that much of a difference and if we haven't then why not and if we have then we should be able to prove it. Surely injuries are what give the fringe players the chance to show they should be in the side. The only exception to this, for us anyway, might be Modric as he does give us something that the others in the squad can't.

      Lastly (at bl00dy last I can hear you say!) my Missus is the only thing that has kept me going in recent weeks so rather than being the reason for me ending up in Ward 10 in fact she is the reason I got out as quickly as I did! God bless her.

    • Yes it's good to see you back Sfer - the way your missus looks, it's no wonder you spend so much time in hospital - you must be exhausted you poor man!!
      Re: the comments about injuries etc. - the good news is that we received a lot of our injuries relatively early in the season ... hopefully this means we'll have the players back and firing on all cylinders for the run into the finish.
      As always, after supporting the lads for what will be 50 years next year, I will ever be the optimist!

    • Welcome back Sfer.

      'arry still has to have a fair crack of the whip. He got (IMHO) undue praise last season, as I think anyone on this board should have been able to take the squad we had when we '...only had two points from 8 games....' and at least escaped relegation.
      Now this season is really his first, so he needs to 'stamp' his style and bring in his sort of player. I'm just a bit concerned that his ideals aren't high enough. He's always been a mid table manager, simply due to his resources. This and next season will show whether he can move up a notch. So, my concern is that his purchases so far have only taken us to where we were before - not taken us up a notch (ie bringing back Daffy, Keane and bringing in Crouch may be 'ok/good' signings, but they didn't actually give us more than what we had before).

      As for Hudd, I was all for him - and still am - but since he's been in the team regularly his performances seem to be worse. I honestly thought with him getting two or three consecutive games we'd have started seeing him bossing games with his vision and passing. Maybe it's been a bit symptomatic of Crouch's inclusion though - as the only thought on anyone's mind seems to be '..can I boot it upfield to Crouch..' - so maybe Hudd hasn't had that chance to shine (with Hoddle - he had Perryman - so as soon as Stevie got the ball, he looked for Hodd who had the vision and passing skills). No one looks for Hudd - they now seem to look directly for Crouch! Even with Bent and Berbatov, I don't recall seeing us playing that 'hopeful' hoof it and see game - and the stupidity from my point of view is that I think Crouch is far better with his feet than his head anyway. His height should just be an added advantage from set plays.

      So, in precis, maybe the inclusion of Crouch has been detrimental across the board - Keane gets stuck out left and the midfield passing game is bypassed - am I'm still giving 'arry another season yet (on top of this) to see what he can do for us.

    • Thank you Fab. Back to Hospital next week - again!!! but getting there I hope.

    • Welcome back Sfer.

      Sincerely hope you are well.

      I was jesting about Bent quite right.

      Honestly i do not give Essex any thought or anyone else for that matter, more important things in life to worry about.

      Welcome back.

    • Exactly my thinking John - why buy Krancjar as cover for Modric if he isn't going to be played when Modric is injured? I'm starting to believe the manager doesn't really fancy him as a player (maybe he doesn't look the player her was at Pompey when surrounded by the players Spurs have?)

      I think Harry's thinking with Keane is that because he is good on the ball, has a bit of skill about him and is comfortable running at people, then he can do a job out wide. But for me we aren't getting the best out of him.

      And yeah, I do recall MU putting Rooney out wide - and if I remember correctly his goal ratio suffered a bit during that time. He didn't play badly exactly, but he wasn't on the score sheet as much as he would have been.

      Still, I can't exactly complain, we're sitting 4th even though we're not playing well. Harry's done well for us so far.

    • Lee,
      That's how I see it as well for what its worth. If Defoe played that role he wouldn't score either (didn't MU dump Rooney out wide as well at some stage?)
      I'm not sure why 'arry wanted Keane to perform that role, given the immediate purchase of Krancjar when Modric got injured - the mysteries of a manager's mind eh?

    • I think a lot of Keane's problems is where he's being asked to play. One of the few times he's played as an out and out striker he bagged 4 goals. So I think he still has the talent, its just that he's being asked to do a job that doesn't suit him, and he's been asked because he's good on the ball, and because of that his confidence has dropped.

      Could be wrong on that one but I think if we get him playing as a striker again, along with Defoe or Crouch, then I think we'll start to see the Keane of old.

      Hopefully anyway.

    • I think you summed up the attitude of the current team exactly right there SB. Agree with Keane's positioning too.

      I'd be pretty happy with 8 points.

    • Old Fan and Wise Old Head.

      On the money as usual, especially about Keane. When he first came to WHL he was pretty clueless and he seems to have gone backwards without Berba. Misses too many to be a top striker. Used properly, I think Pav would be more effective but it looks like we'll never know.

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