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Who says harry is an un-justified winner of manager of the year? Just stumbled across this on wiki pedia and i think it shows what an excellent job hes doing;
Top 20 managers of the club's history
Based on win % in all competitions
Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 Harry Redknapp 2008–Present 92 48 52.17
4 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
5 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
6 Bill Nicholson 1958–1974 832 408 49.03
7 Arthur Rowe 1949–1955 283 135 47.70
8 Fred Kirkham 1907–1908 61 29 47.54
9 Jimmy Anderson 2 1955–1958 161 75 46.58
10 Percy Smith 1929–1935 253 109 46.38
Dont know is thats gunna be overly readable, but its basically saying hes currently third for win percentage in tottenams managerial history! The best thing i can deduct from this, however is tat he is the best in my life time! (granted i was only born in 1989 but still ) Anyway dont know if this has been shown before, just thought id share :)
o and heres Jol's; (12th)
12 Martin Jol 3 2004–2007 150 67 44.67
...ahhhhhhhh, but stats.....
I'm glad 'arry is up there and hope he can continue with the run - but if you look at the top 3 and add up all their games played, you only get half the games of the 4th placed. I think its a bit early to judge as yet. Give 'arry another season (IMHO all managers and players should be judged after a min two seasons)
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Harry deserves the plaudits for getting you into the CL ahead of the £M's spent by City. Lets hope for your sakes, he doesn't take this as a sign to go out and spend loads more on players that don't add to your team, and wage bill. He's got a nasty habit of ruining the finances of clubs.
Just because Harry is a justified manager of the year when compared to Spurs managers of yesteryear doesn't mean he is a justified manager of the year when compared to every other manager in the Prem today surely?
Also your "top 20" consists of...well.......ten.
Wenger was far more deserving of the manager of the year tag IMO.
Nick, I see what you're trying to say, but the way your trying to say it is wrong. If you compared HR's win percentage against managers of other clubs and he stood tall, then that would have made more sense. But even against other Spurs managers that comparison pales...92 games...c'mon mate...Billy Nick's 408 games with practically half of them won is a far superior stat (then throw in championships and other trophies and you'll know why the man was and still is revered among the Lilywhite legions).
Now, does Harry deserve Manager of the Year more than say Roy Hodgson...maybe not, but you've got to pick one haven't ya (smiles).
Fab...they don't give out awards for chucking the championship away my son...(alright, maybe not my son, but...). Given he's had injuries in his squad, but he was in with a shout with the (on paper) easier of run ins vs your two rivals...and in the end you just pipped us for 3rd...no, partisanship aside, Wenger could never win that accolade. (imho)
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To me it's give credit where credit's due. Wenger has deserved to be manager of the year on previous performances - but not this year at all.
If I had to vote, I'd always go for someone who made something from 'less' - ie the Moyes's and Hodgson's of this world. As their achievements are surely 'greater'? I think I would have gone for Hodgson this year - if he pulls of a win this week, then he's had an amazing couple of seasons.
'arry must have something though, as he's done for Spurs what no other manager has managed for years.
AND (this galls me to say this) - I think Levy has done well in what he's allowed the managers to spend over the past few while still keeping the club viable.
That list of injuries was pleasant reading John as that is the shortest it has been for a while! What a shame the season has finished. Tutt.
Naturally it is not the volume of injuries that gives you MoS and that is not my sole argument but only a small part which i think should be taken into account when summing up the achievments of each individual manager.
If achieving 4th place makes Harry worthy of the award then why not Wenger who has achieved third and the quarter finals of the CL and arguably done so with his hands tied?
Anyhow it seems my efforts to sway the yidddish mindset getting them to agree to rid hellish Harry of said award in favour of wiley wonder Wenger have all come to nought even though i have fought like a lion.
Emirates cup it is then.
Based on your argument Fab, surely SAF should come before Wenger then? The loss of Ronaldo's goals, Rooney in and out of fitness among other players. That big red nose to contend with day in day out. This is a far more constructive reason than yours!
Thing is Fab, that Wenger has not improved the club at all - still not an EPL title, still not a CL Champion - just sitting around in 3rd place. So arguably, he's just done what most of the other managers in the EPL have done - maintained the same place - no improvement (I'm not saying he's a bad manager - just that he's not done that much).
The only competition 'arry really had was Roy Hodgson - and it could have gone either way - in reality they both deserve the title because they have both done a lot for and with their club. Look at where Spurs were just over a season ago when 'arry took over, and by the same mark - look what Hodgson's accomplished with what is a pretty small and essentially un-extraordinary squad.
At this stage for Wenger to get the award, he is going to have to either win the CL or win the EPL - I don;t think holding ground does it.
It should be what have you done with the resources you have. IE 'managed'.
So, to me its racing top class sports cars against production models. You expect the sports cars to win - if they don't that is a failure of management, rather than success on their part. But if you take a Fiat Panda and beat a couple of sooped up super minis and maybe one or tow sportier models to 10th place, then you've done well. If you did the same with a Tata Nano, then you've had a brilliant season.
As a racing / gambling analogy, if a red hot favourite does well, its expected and largely down to the pedigree of the thing running. If an outsider does it, it has run out of its skin.
The LMA/Yahoo article explains it (the one re Hodgson and the fact that he had less resource in way of skill and money)....
Wenger, Fergus and Ancelloti all started off as favourites.
I think 'arry was quite clever as he kept referring back to an totally underperforming team and drumming up the idea of us as underperformers. The pundits were saying that we had a false position when he joined and expected us to be challenging for Europe anyway - so his achievement wasn't (IMHO) as good as Hodgsons.
But we're going round and round in circles here...we obviously see it slightly differently...
PS I know that injury list was at the seasons end - that's why I said google 'injuries' + team. Look at the history of injuries for each team
Hey John - I considered responding to one of your wind up posts in another thread - with the idea that I would point out that you are a moron that doesn't have a fucking clue about football, but thought that it would be redundant as it was obvious from your post.
So do us all a favor and piss off back to whatever board can put up with you. There are a number of gooners that do post on this board and are welcome as they can actually make some intelligent posts - then there are the typical numbnuts bicycle seat sniffers like yourself (you even look like one in your picture mate ....) - complete planks, dumb as a bucket of rocks, with head firmly implanted up the arse.
SO at the risk of repeating myself - piss off and go back to playing with your inflatable!
That is the thing Rambro.
Wengers achievment is viewed as par for the course and that is why he is overlooked IMO even though to my mind he has achieved the greater goal and against greater odds. You only have to look at Lpool to realise that a top four place and a good run in the CL is not a God given right.
Anyhow i give up.
I hope however i have made my point.
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