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  • A Yahoo! User Sep 16, 2010 05:31 Flag

    Were you watching Tottingham?

    What a feast for the footballing eyes MY lads put on tonight eh?

    Chamakh signing of the season?

    'If Carlsberg played CL games.....'


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    • Can't say I didn't enjoy it Fab. Gunners played some really good stuff, thoroughly deserved victory! Do you think the opposition were much?
      Amazingly, according to your thinking, with out Walnutt in the team. He probably would have spoilt it for you.

    • Hated every minute, Fab. I thought Arsenal were negative and incompetent, and very lucky not to have lost that one. Braga were brilliant, and I felt they were robbed. The referee was definitely a homer and I thought Braga had three nailed on penaties. 8-0 to Braga would not have been flattering. Fabregas should have been sent off twice. On the bright side, Walcott had one of his more constructive games.

    • Stunning football at times.

    • Arsenal will always be shit. Their name reflects that they are the stain on the underpants of football

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      • Fab, I have always not been ashamed to say how some of Ar$e's football is a pleasure to watch and last nigfht was no exception. As usual, sometimes a little overdone in some cases but when it came off it was great.

        Braga were poor defensively but that does not take away the fact that they were outplayed.

        Only one disagreement though - I thought Arshavin was rubbish most of the first half and not much better thoughout the game. He hit several very bad passes and gave the ball away more than any other Ar$e player. Yes he scored but so he should from there. There was one classic shot of Whingers face just after Ashavin had hit his 3rd bad pass in a row. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great player but he is off form for what ever reason.

        Well done last night and our upcoming derby should be interesting!

    • Sfer, No far from it. I was just pointing out that the CL isn't about 'fairness' (or good football for that matter) because it ISN'T a league. It's a half baked cup competition with a seeded 'pseudo' league element.
      If it were a true 'league' where the top 2/3 teams from each european league then went into a 'super league' then fine. They would all start off in that new league with 0 points and have to play all the other teams.That isn't close to what the CL does or attempts to do. It tries to ensure that the top 'most' wealthy clubs consistently win from season to season, by seeding those top clubs so they don't face each other - so the competition is then always won by the 'top' glamour clubs. Half cup and half league, and 9 times out of 10 boring games as they are either so vastly imbalanced in favour of the top seeds - or you get boring top-seed-against-top-seed where the teams (like in the WC) are tooo scared to lose.

      All obviously IMHO!

      PS I watch the CL, but I can't honestly say that I have seen more exciting games in that competition, than I used to see when I used to watch Brighton in the old 3rd Div when I was 14. No matter what the 'hype', judge on what you see. SKY want you all to believe that EPL and CL is the best - as that is what they are trying to sell. If everyone always believed what the advertisers said, then we'd all have pearly white teeth, drive VW Golfs and read Hello magazine while wearig Nike trainers and eating Kellog special bran flakes to keep our weight down after downing 23 pints of Strongbow/Carlsberg mixed, while watching X factor repeats on E4.....oh, the horror of it all....

    • ...analogy...
      You put two people in a ring, one with a big stick and one with a twig and they have to battle it out over 13 rounds - and each round they last, they get points towards a bigger stick for next time.
      Now, you may get that the poor sod with the small stick, puts up an amazing fight and manages to stay in until round 9. He then uses his points trying to buy a bigger stick - but hey, the bloke with the bigger stick in the first place has now got even more points, so he can also afford a bigger stick - so he forces up the price of good quality sticks until only he can afford them. So the bloke with the twig is really no better off - as all he can buy with with the additional points he got, was a lesser, inferior stick anyway (but even the price for that is inflated, as all the people selling sticks know you have lots of points to spend). And, the people who lay down the rules for who fights who, arrange the fights, so it's always the blokes with the big stick who fight the blokes with the twigs. And then when two blokes with similar sized sticks actually fight each other, they don't want to hit each other for fear of losing and not progressing and ending up with a smaller stick next time round.

      Much like the Allies fighting Iraq, or the Lions fighting the Christians or the Crusaders fighting the Cathars or Arnie fighting anyone in his movies - all staged managed to make sure that they can't lose.

      If you can hum the Internationale while reading the above, it really does add to the effect.

    • Blimey John...I have never read so much about sticks and twigs in all my life!!

      Money will always rule John no matter what. That does not mean it makes football or the CL any less worth watching IMO. Would I like to see Brighton play Barca in the final of the CL? Hell yes. Would it be a good game to watch - Hell no.

      See what I mean - you can't have it both ways. Ocasionally you get a smaller team which through either getting a Sheik owner or having a very good manager and backers, will break though (like we did into the top 4) and that is the way it always has been and always will be. Yes the deivide was smaller before the billions that have been pumped into football over recent years but the practice was the same.

      Football is and always has been a business. Its just that the swing has moved so much away from the people that actually love/care for the game (us, Bill Nicholson, Shankly etc etc) towards people who want to become rich or richer. Can't get away from it and it does not stop us watching games. Yes of course its a shame and I wish it had not happened but there we are.

      Will I be watching Chelsea V Barca in the CL final - yes absolutely right I will. Unless of course one of those smaller teams that no one fancies sneaks through and if that is the case I will be praying they win.

    • Beautifully put John... T'is the main reason why i've always refused to pay any televised sports subscription fees.
      To me it's not a beautiful competition anymore! It's more a game of Cluedo... the same players everytime, just they rotate the culprits/winners each season.
      UEFA doesn't want any newbies spoiling the party, for they fear it'll look less glamourous if Messi, Rooney and the likes aren't on the winning team.
      CL may have the most technically gifted players involved, but the competition itself is sub league and sub cup-knockout standard.
      That's what i feel anyway :)

    • Sfer,
      No - football wasn't always about money - obviously there have always been professional and amateur leagues - and by their very nature, the clubs who paid their players, had to earn money themselves, so were businesses - but look back Sfer, they weren't run as businesses - they were run by people who loved football for people who loved football - the were called blah FC, blah Albion FC NOT blah PLC (a group of people running a business for the benefit of the shareholders) - FC football CLUB (a group of people with a common interest run for the benefit of those people) it was about the football, not the money. Do you think that is a case of 'rose coloured specs'? I don't - just look at how clubs 'market' kits - change kits twice a year - anything to get more money - who does that benefit? I don't think Spurs change their home and away shirt through my entire youth.

      But look back before the 'media' took a hold. Players played for normal money and the competitions didn't have such high financial rewards. Because of that, it wasn't life-or-death when a team went up or down a division - it was joy or despair for the supporters more than a financial catastrophe. The 'fear' wasn't there. That 'fear' of failing has pervaded the whole game, from the top clubs down - because the effect of the money at the top (see another thread about this) has meant that the top clubs buy outside of the English league - to attract 'fancy' names (Van der Vaart or Higginbottom - I' think Van der Vaart has more pull don't you? - even though in Dutch it may mean 'In front of the cart' (ie workhorse ;-)).

      As for:
      Money will always rule John no matter what. That does not mean it makes football or the CL any less worth watching IMO. Would I like to see Brighton play Barca in the final of the CL? Hell yes. Would it be a good game to watch - Hell no.

      It doesn't make it any more or any less. That's entirely my point. Just because you stick a bloke with a polo 'bat' on an 'orse on a shirt, does it make that shirt better than one that costs a tenth? The only way to judge is to compare the build quality and the materials used. You can't use price. The 'logo' is the hype - the Emperor's Clothes. CL is the hype of football. Its the same thing. Look through the hype to what the hype is about.

      Ditto for football, just because the most expensive players are playing, it doesn't make it a 'better' game. The only way to judge would be to watch and see if you're **entertained** - now that may be a 0-0 draw or a 9-1 win - but the whole point of *watching* football is the entertainment. So following on from that how many of the CL games have you watched that have been utter crap (even though they have the alleged 'best' teams playing) compared to how many gems? You can't use money to say how good a game is. That is the 'lie' that SKY (and other advertisers) would have you believe - the money, the glamour, the glitz - football doesn't become more entertaining just because the players cost more or get paid more or because they let fire works off before the game.

      Bloody hell, time for a tea.....

    • Not sure if I am missing something here John but I agree with everything you have said. I am not arguing against what you believe. Its just whether or not you "accept" that money has spoiled the game we love, to a certain extent, although we do still love it and that is why we watch games between two Sunday sides as well as CL games.

      Of course I hate all the hype that Sky and others put on the CL games but I "accept" it because I want to watch Barca and the like. Do I wish it was different? Of course but I am a realist.

      Do the snidey g1ts at the top of the CL fix it so the big clubs have the best chance of going through? Yes probably. Do I care enough to not watch it? No.

      Within any competition, CL or PL or Blue Sqaure, there will be cr4p games and good games from an entertainment point of view so I am not sure what your point is on that one. Just because the CL is fixed or has spangles on does not change that.

      I think you are looking back on the old days with too much tinto glasses John. There was more loyalty of course and better manners and courtesy and of course less money BUT that didn't stop players moving from club to club because thier salary went from £10 per week to £20 did it or because the team that wanted them had a better chance of winning the FA Cup.

      The only difference is the number oif times it happens now compared to then and the ridiculous sums of money involved.

      As I said John, money IS involved and IS here to stay, at least for the forseeable, so we can put up with it or stop watching the game we love. I know what I am going to do.

      So you are not wrong John - but there is nothing you or I can do about it. And this is not just about football - there is a much bigger picture here and its one of general greed and corruption.

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