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  • Layla Layla May 6, 2012 16:01 Flag

    bloody shambles

    what was harry playing up!
    the pressure got to him in the end.

    did he know we needed the win?!

    he settled for a pt.

    yes we had 10men but we were in control & villa were dreadful.

    vdv shatterd again after 70mins yet he keeps him on till the last few mins.

    we desperately need a goal so he leaves defoe on the bench & brings on parker!

    should have been braver harry.

    i like harry & he has done wonders for us.
    but everytime we get close & the pressure is on, he falls apart.

    again ade was isolated upfront & the only way we were going to score was a pen.

    why not go 4-4-2 with defoe & ade upfront for this must win match?

    even at the end he still didnt bring on the most likely player to score.

    i do wonder what hold has vdv got over harry.
    he is always on his knees after 70mins but stays on.

    i wish i could say we went for it but werent good enough. in the end we didnt go for it.

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    • forgot to say.... sandro was outstanding for the 3rd game in the row. when king retires he will be my new fave player!

      if mourinho had been in charge today, even with 10men he would have thrown defoe on & gone for it.

      harry is a good manager but when the pressure is on & in big games he usually goes to pieces & cant handle it.

      he kept changing his mind about what to do during the match & in the end did nothing to the last few mins.
      it was like he thought just let the boys get on with it.

      u would honestly think he was happy with a pt. well done for handing 3rd spot to the gooners.

      at least city beat newcastle i guess.

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      • I was gonna start a thread but you've said it all spursbabe.
        I used to love Redknapp, bit i'm sorry he was a total pussy with 30 mins to go. Why would getting a penalty change the need to bring on Defoe seeing as we still needed to score another goal. Perhaps it would have been better if we hadn't got the penalty then Defoe would have definately come on! It beggars belief in to why it seems Redknapp settled for a draw, perhaps if the blue scum wasn't in the champions league final i could understand it........maybe, but bringing Parker on so we had 2 defensive midfielders and 1 striker when even with 10 men Villa were there for the taking is unforgivable. Sure Villa we're lucky and didn't deserve even a point but well done Harry for helping them and for ruining our chance for 3rd, you're a tactical genius

    • your in a catch 22 situ now if arsenal get a win next week and your make 4th chlesea could put you in europa . i think this is the closest run i have seen for years for 5 teams city and utd arsenal spurs and newcastle .

      myself i think it will finish
      city utd arsenal and spurs. if it does just hope chelsea lose the CL .fulham are no pushovers nor are wba . i will be sweating come 3 pm next sunday.

      ANGRY,DISSAPOINTED,YES,but all's not lost.
      Yes we had the chance of giong 3rd and definate qualification into CL football(unless the CHAVS win the final)but at least we went at it full on today going by the sky report(will watch the game on football first and maybe come back)though the stasts showed that we totally dominated,even with 10 men,but sadly it wasn't to be.
      Can't blame Harry for that,surely.
      Roses' sending off obviously didn't help,and as i've already mentioned isn't quite up to the job yet.
      However,there's still one game to go and maybe ladyluck will shine down upon us with a win over Fulham and a win for WBA against the GOONS whom definately got more of thier share of luck yesterday.
      Anyway,here's hoping along with rest of you,that we nick that 3rd spot and the GOONS LUCK runs out.
      Come on WBA.


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      • Sorry Jeffall got to disagree about Harry.
        Can anyone PLEASE tell me why? ....
        Facts.........Second half, 40 minutes to go.... down to 10 men and a goal behind.
        Score equaliser from the spot... well on top... still no substitutions? Defoe, Dos Santos, Saha on the bench! Bale, our most potent attacker, playing LB. VDV tiring as usual, no help up front for Ade, not looking like scoring really so what does our esteemed manager do??? Absolutely FA and I don't often swear. Honestly I cannot understand the man!!
        Livermore on to cover LB, take off Gallas. Bale up to left wing. Bring on Daffy for VDV. Still have another sub if needed. If we lost we lost but at least we tried seriously to win it
        Defeat no worse than draw, still be fourth with one to go. 3rd with a win would have been far more favourable for last week-end of the season.

      • "we totally dominated" without looking like scoring jeffall.

        id rather more even posession & yardage if we are testing the keeper. given had no hard saves to make.
        the only way we were going to ever score was a pen!

        rewatch the whole match jeffall. u will see it was clear we didnt look like scoring & needed another striker on the pitch.

    • where has this myth about vdv being good defensively come from?!

      yes he trys hard to help defensively but he isnt very good at it.
      he is slow, not very good at tackling & rarely tracks back well.

      its not his job so im not having a go at him.

      also as mentioned. after 70mins vdv is on his knees!
      he hardly any use defensively.

      i cant belive some people actually think taken him off after 70mins for defoe would leave us too exposed.

      id like u to rewatch the match from the 70th min and tell me how vdv made a defensive difference!

      & if vdv does make that much of a difference despite his weak defensive qualities, then u have to question the team for not being able to cope defensively if we take him off for defoe.

      its pathetic if they need vdv walking around out of breath to not be exposed!

    • also im ment to be the pessamistic 1, but certain people here would have settled for a draw like harry.

      u will never win anything with that attitude.

      i cant believe harry said after the game that he would always settle for a pt when 1-0 down with 10 men.

      so u need to win to win the league on the last day of the season. so harry settles for a draw because we had 10men & we're 1-0 down.
      what a silly thing to say.

    • Good grief SB, you like your little sly digs don't you?!

      You really make me smile. I don't think I've ever heard someone do the '...I'm not criticising...' and then go onto criticise so well.

      Hindsight is a wonderful thing SB. But just as a question, what would you have said had 'arry replaced VdV with Daffy on 70 mins and we had lost? Would you have been saying he did the right thing or would you be here saying that 'arry just doesn't have any tactical sense (although you're not criticising and you like him really).

      As for your:
      '....i cant believe harry said after the game that he would always settle for a pt when 1-0 down with 10 men.

      so u need to win to win the league on the last day of the season. so harry settles for a draw because we had 10men & we're 1-0 down.
      what a silly thing to say. ....'

      I despair......If you honestly think that your scenario is what he meant well that loses me. Surely you understood what he was talking about? No? Or is that just another one of your '...I like 'arry.....but he does say silly things/doesn't have any tactical sense/ picks the wrong team...' type comments?


    • Personally I don't think Arry gets his tactics right all the time but there again, which Manager does? It seems obvious to me that Arry has his favourites like VDV and he doesn't rate Defoe as highly. Again, isn't that the same for every Manager and team in the PL? You pays your money, you takes your choice!!!

      I would have Defoe on the pitch ahead of VDV but that is a personal choice. I base that on believing that Adebyor needs a strike partner and VDV is far too often found in our Midfield or even worse, treading on the CB's toes! What is he doing there FFS??

      Question. Who do we play at Left Back against Fulham? We have to win the game and therefore Bale has to be used to try and score or at least set up goals. Do we have another left footed player?

      Perhaps we could play VDV there - after all, he is left footed and seems to prefer being in defence!

    • we all say silly things John but we don't get paid mega money for doing so. As I said before I was really amazed that when we managed to get an equaliser he didn't go for the throat.
      IMHO !!! he should have used at least 2 of the subs to liven the attack Yes I know we were 21-4 up on shots at the end and 11-2 on target ones but how many real hard "saves" did Given have to make.
      We would not have been in a worse position going into the last game than we are now even if we had lost!!! So I for one would have loved to have seen Defoe for Vdv for the last 20 minutes and Saha or Dos Santos as well.
      We really should have won that game and put ourselves in pole position where by a win would give us 3rd.
      Do you realise Arsenal can lose by the odd goal at WBA and still be 3rd if we only draw with BMJ's side. And don't you think Jol wouldn't just love to stuff Daniel Levi after the way he was sacked?

    • VdV left, Modric behind Ade, with Bale LB. Sandro/Parker mid, Lemmon right. Use VdV to provide the Anderson/Beckham stuff, Lemmon to get in behind, with the odd run from Bale just to keep them worried.

      If VdV tires on 70, then optionally move Modders left, VdV off and Daffy on with Ade.

      I always wanted to see Modric play the VdV role, but maybe last game of the season with a win required isn't the right time to 'play'.

      I tried all that with a cruet set and it looked ok, although I sneezed a couple of times and broke up play a bit too easily for my liking.

    • Why is anyone surprised we didn't/couldn't win this game?? How many times this season have we "battered" the opposition from a stats point of view but only got a point or even lost the game?

      Did anyone else see that stat about us having the most shots from outside the box in the enitire PL? I think it was 98 compared to Chelsea in second with 70 odd. And that was before this last weekend.

      We just don't have the players, or the tactics, or the players in the right place, to beat teams that load up the defence. The only way you beat teams like that is to get behind them but Ade is not quick enough over 10 yards and more often than not he is the only player in the box anyway.

      Even when we do get lennon or bale (but that is becoming quite rare!) in behind the full backs, they either don't produce a quality cross or if they do we don't have anyone in there on the end of it (VDV should be of course but he is usually holding hands with Gallas at that point).

      Our best displays this year have been aginst teams that have come to beat us or teams that we have scored against early. Teams that come to beat us leave gaps which we have been able to exploit and teams that go behind have to chase the game meaning we can use our pace to break out and score.

      As for tactics against Villa - it was never going to be easy but for my money - I would have preferred at least to have had a go. Goal scoring talent on the bench in such a crucial game is a waste. Where we are now compared to where we could have been...it was worth the risk IMO.

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