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'harry wanted to leave us for the england job.
he doesnt get the england job.
he then goes to the media asking for spurs to commit to him!
he then gets an agent to get him a pay rise & a 3yr contract extension'
If I was on the board, the above alone (discounting 'Arry's other short comings) would be enough reason to remove Harry.
Using the media as Harry did as leverage to try and secure a bigger, better contact IMO shows a lack of respect to the club. I have nothing against him looking after him and his own, but he could have done this in the right way, IE sitting down mano-a-mano and negotiating.
I don't believe Levy had much choice but to let Harry go, if a player was to use the media in this way to try and secure a BBD, then I think the same course of action would be followed.
No player can be bigger than our beloved club, IMO no manager can be bigger either.
Get the Vertonghen deal done.
Maybe the fans liked Jol because, with the useless players he bought, he got 5th twice and was a whisker away from 4th?
Makes you wonder, doesn't it, about the 'other' managers, who in your opinion made good purchases, but still failed to get anywhere near 5th.
'...half smiling and half joking about it as if he couldn't care less even though, as you have pointed out several times, he made very public statements about it being the pinnacle of a managers career...'
He made the pinnacle comment at least as early as 2010. I keep asking where your indignation was then. As for 'couldn't care less' - did you see the Linker bit? He said he was disappointed.
'....having made it crystal clear he would have taken it if they had offered it even with a minimum wage salary, he feigns surprise that Levy is not happy. ...'
Sfer - look, I've shown you that he also made those comments at least two years ago. So why the indignation now? Why didn't you get on his back and why didn't Levy sack him?
As for the life savings analogy - I still don't follow. What has your ability to trust someone got to do with 'arry being sacked? You openly state things like ' ...taking bungs was common...' - implying that all managers are untrustworthy and then seems to want to highlight 'arry as being untrustworthy - and somehow relate that to sacking him. EVEN if he was untrustworthy - wasn't Levy aware of that when he employed him? No?
'....You like him, you don't think he has done anything wrong, you think he has been dealt with unfairly, you think everybody else is picking on him - fine. You believe what you want but stop having a go at me because I (and others) don't think the same way as you do. ...'
What? I reply to your posts. You post, I post. How am I having a go at you? I think there has been far more personal comments from you and SB aimed at me. I don't recall having a 'go' at you at all. I have just taken your 'points' and posted my opinion. If your saying I should respect your 'right' to have 'your' opinion, then that works the other way. So we both have differing opinions - fine. I'm happy with that. But if you then go onto post something that I don't agree with, then I'll probably post a reply with my view.
PS and if you think that I don't think 'arry's done anything wrong, then I suggest maybe you go back over the posts and re-read?
Maybe if you can show me what any of that had to do with what was being discussed:
You know why you threw it in. It was to besmirch 'arry. Fine - but don't then stand back and say '...I'm only telling the truth....' as the excuse.
If this thread had been about 'arry's position as a pillar of the community - maybe.
If your 'bung, tax evasion, illiterate' comments, like 'arrys' regard for the England job, was anything new, then I could see you had a possible argument that each of those points may have led to 'arry being sacked.
When exactly was he accused of bungs?
When exactly was he accused of evading tax?
How long can a man of 60+ be illiterate?
Are they all old - and even before Spurs?
You seem to 'know' that 'arry is 'dodgy' and totally ignore it when it suits you. Then say people should lie. But then at the end, use the 'facts' that 'arry is dodgy as some form of argument against him.
Are you arguing that the board should have sacked him for being dodgy then (that begs the question, given all the accusations were known before his appointment why they appointed him in the first place). Or are you still convinced he should have been sacked because of his 'courting' the England job?... Or taking his eye off the ball (that also seems to have occurred in previous seasons when England wasn't on the cards)...Or...?
100% agree sfer. i like the way u dont waffle on like a politican & avoid answering the question, unlike our "harry can do no wrong" poster john.
harry wanted to leave us for the england job.
he doesnt get the england job.
he then goes to the media asking for spurs to commit to him!
he then gets an agent to get him a pay rise & a 3yr contract extension.
that was out of order, disrespectful & too cheeky!
john will waffle on for pages defending harry for all of this, without actually having 1 good strong argument in his favour.
such long weak cringing arguments too.
john also changes his whole way of thinking to suit a defence of harrys!
john, can u really not see how weak, poor, contradictory & pathetic your pro harry posts are?!
john, u remind me of a hitler follower.
no matter how many wrongs they commit, u still try to defend & justify it.
swap hitler for harry!
As for Jol, you are talking to the wrong man. I didn't like him and still don't now. IMO I think Jol was sacked for buying useless players and wasting money but thats just my opinion. The fact that he speaks like the Swedish Chef off The Muppets didn't help. Yes Jol was popular with some fans although I personally could never understand why. The moment he insisted on playing Tanio in MF I lost respect for the man. His sacking had nothing to do with Spurs thinking they could land a better manager IMO.
As for Arry "pretending" all you have to do is look at the way he has handled the whole affair since being unceremoniously ignored by the FA. Half smiling and half joking about it as if he couldn't care less even though, as you have pointed out several times, he made very public statements about it being the pinnacle of a managers career. He was and is gutted about it. Then, having made it crystal clear he would have taken it if they had offered it even with a minimum wage salary, he feigns surprise that Levy is not happy. Instead of going cap in hand to Levy and admitting he got it wrong, he asks for a contract extension and more money.
It is that last bit that gets to me. It is that why I am not sad to see him go. Up to that point I would have still said give him another year. Nothing to do with not liking the man - which I actually do - its the way he has acted since being dumped.
The life savings analagy I thought I would throw in seeing as you like analagies so much and I can't see what you don't understand about it - its very quite simple - yes I like him as a cheeky chappie and good team motivator - would I trust him??? No - simples. Its not a character assassination FFS. Its my opinion as I am sure you must know people you would not lend a fiver too because you know you wouldn't get it back.
You like him, you don't think he has done anything wrong, you think he has been dealt with unfairly, you think everybody else is picking on him - fine. You believe what you want but stop having a go at me because I (and others) don't think the same way as you do.
WTF are you going on about???
Is your fake surprise about what I have said about Arry real or is it just to support your view of him? After all, you have been going on about how honest he appears to be and this is all not his fault so feigning shock at something so trivial (but all true) is a bit rich.
All I have done is list in one sentence what Arry is. If you don't like it look away but you can't say it is not true.
Tax Dodging - no matter what the court said, no one goes to some far away tax haven, opens an account in his dog's name, lets someone put a load of cash in it and then blames the Accountant when he gets caught without deliberately trying to dodge paying tax on the money he has been given.
Bung Throwing - I have been in his company when he has clearly admitted that he has given bungs and we are not talking a few hundred quid here. From the horses mouth.
Illiterate - well he has admitted as much himself albeit in an attempt to make a jury feel sorry for him.
So what part of that is vitriolic exactly?
I don't dislike Arry. I wanted him to be the Spurs manager and was very happy when he was apppointed. I even defended him against some on here that were not happy at that point asking for some time for him to prove himself. Which, IMO, he did.
And even though he is what I have described, I would still have liked him to have another year to see if he could take us that next step. But he blew it AFTER the England rejection. I am sure all the above played its part but it was not the total reason.
This is not the view of a person that has anything personal against Arry is it? Quite the opposite in fact. But you cannot hide from the facts.
Football team have been run by people just like Arry for years. Bungs are/were common place so I am not picking on him. Tax Dodging - good luck to him - if I had that sort of money I would probably be tempted to try it as well as most people would I suspect.
Illliterate - not his fault. That was how it was when he was growing up in London. He was allowed to slip through the cracks - but why bring that fact up when he did? Because he wanted the sympathy vote. Again, I don't blame him, if I was in that situation I would use whatever I had in my locker as well.
Yes I knew how Arry felt about the England job, we all did, but he wasn't even approached about the job was he. He just fell for all the media hype and thought it was nailed on. Which is why he said some of the things he did and therefore made it plain that he was going to leave Spurs. I have said already, that IMO is a mistake. Yes the person in that sort of position should lie. They should take the lesser of two bad options. Lie and then say the offer was too good to turn down and look a little silly rather than throw the loyalty of your current employer and fans in the gutter and then expect them to forget it when you come crawling back. Not that he crawled back, he stomped back which is partly why it was right for him to be sacked IMO. (cont)
I don't quite follow. You've said that we slipped up during the run in of both this and last season, but are happy to put this season down to England. What was last season then? Just something that happened anyway?
I hope you're right and that the board bring in a manager that can take us to CL and eventually to the EPL title. My only fear, is that in all the time I've followed Spurs, I've only seen a few managers who seemed to be even close to that, so I think if past track record is anything to go by, then I'm not as confident as you. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.
Not to mention our one win away from home in the league in 2012, which in itself was a repeat performance from the previous season tail off......................Yes 4th place was great but it was the very least to expect giving our form up until the England job became vacant?? At the end we could of easily been 6th as-well?? I think the boards decision was clearly tipped by his courting of the England job and our dire dip in form which was 3 wins in 14 I think.
Sacking Redknapp actually shows our ambition at the club !!
Well, I can see that we let a big lead slip. But that isn't the first time in history a club has done that. It happens all the time. It also happens in reverse. Look at Woolwich - their early season was poor, but second half good. Was Wenger then distracted by something - or is it just something that occurs?
So even by your own statement Woolwich were 8pts ahead of us - didn't then Wenger let that lead slip as we ended up 1pt behind?
'.....so that 30 points in the last half of the season just sounds like window dressing that Redknapp himself would use to pass the blame on to someone else!! .....'
Window dressing? Good grief. We finished 4th. How quickly people forget when we used to habitually be mid table. And as for 'arry using that to pass the blame - pass what blame? And how would saying (even if he had) that we got 30pts in the second half of the season and finished 4th, be passing blame?
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