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  • Alan H Alan H Aug 24, 2012 11:59 Flag


    The guy AVB, you guys have taken on will need a season at least, if he's still there, to transfer he's ideas and choices to the pitch and achieve consistency. So be prepared to whinge a bit and face up to a slip down the table.
    H---Have I worded that right, Harry.

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    • Wouldn't get down in the dumps,s/babe---a mediocre season maybe---but you bring a media hyped guy from across the water in and that's the chance you take. A bucket full of cash over his arm improves his chances but that applies to any new guy.
      Suppose Arry had to go in the end, but he left a decent squad behind, well capable of lifting some trophy. That's it though, foresight and building stability like Moyes for example, requires a few years running on the spot before the gun goes. All you guys on here and all big clubs demand instant success no matter how.
      H---Pools 1 Tranmere nowt, tomorrow night---you think you've got problems.

    • i think the future looks very bleak for us under avb.
      than again i listen to a lot of radiohead.

      seriously thou i dont rate avb.
      the only things i like about him is that he gives youngsters a go, he likes to press the opposition & he likes a mobile team.

      but there are about 20 things i dont like about him.

      u have to be honest, he is so lucky to have been given the chelsea & then the spurs job!

      when u consider what little notable things he achieved.
      as sfer said, leading porto to the title is no big deal.

      we might as well hire the celtic manager if we are going down that route.

      europa league is difficult to win so il give him some credit for that. but its still a 2nd rate competition. he also inherited falcao who basically did most of the hard work!

      his arrogance is very annoying. he doesnt know how to man manage. he seems to choose the most unlikely solution to any problem. so just on the off chance it works, people will say it was a master stoke!

      he does odd things like bringing defoe off when we need goals, talking about dawson as captain & then trying to flog him, trying to offload hudd & then making him the main man.

      it was a really odd choice by levy! i hope levy isnt arrogant enough to let avb fail for years before he accepts he was a mistake.

      bring on moyes!

    • Ha ha, yep I remember Freund being a little agricultural in his playing approach to the game, we could probably do with that now! what with Sandro and Parker being out.

      As far as I know Freund hasn't been involved in managing any clubs at any level. I don't know how relevant that is because he managed half of the German national team at youth level, some of whom are sublime footballers, so IMO his credentials stand up, I know little of his tactical/technical nous, but the Germans strength often lies in those areas.

      What more can I/we do than hope? we all want the best for our club, I believe that faith and trust is rewarded, so I am prepared to give AVB that (I know, good of me!) If we are fighting relegation in April I may well have a different opinion, but currently we are in a similar position to last season having just been through huge changes (we lost one of the best play makers in the world), so I expect things to improve throughout the season as injured players return (Dembele) and as we sign we players in Jan!

      I know what you mean about his demeanour, he can come across as cocky or arrogant and yes he does on occasion look like he's the keeper of all the secrets (on the flip side, I loved his reaction to beating Manure), thankfully his ability to manage a team is not dependant on my opinion of his face. That probably says as much about me as it does about him.


      Any Maribor predictions? who will we start? We play Citeh at the W.E!

    • Just a thought to add to the equation Joe - who does AVB turn to when looking for tactical advice and support in making the big calls?

      Stephen Freund.............!!

      I have no idea how that appointment came about. I am not even sure if AVB even knew who Freund was before his appointment. As far as I know Freund has no relative experience of being an assistant manager of a PL side and all he did during his time as a player was clatter around the park giving free kicks away.

      There are a few too many "hopes" in your post for my liking Joe. AVB has shown no sign of trying different things - even when it is obvious to everybody else what needs to happen - he seems to think he is omnipotent.

      You pays yer money and takes yer choice so we will have to wait and see won't we.

    • This is tricky for me as I had the same opinion as you prior to his arrival, I was not a fan and I am not 100% convinced.

      But I think it shows a reactionary, small club mentality to sack a manger after such a short period of time, maybe I have become more sympathetic due to the idiocy of our home fans boo'ing! I find that completely ridiculous, counter-intuitive and deplorable.

      In spells we have looked superb, during the United game we played in the style I want us to, fast attcking football, I agree this has not happened anywhere near enough. The lack of cohesion, I am putting down to time, huge changes to the club and its staff. With regards to tactics and team selection, I would do things differently and I hope AVB will at least try some other options. I do think we have been limited by injuries. Had Parker and Ade been fit I'm certain we would have seen them used more.

      Do we want a manager who can be manipulated by fans and the media? I don't.

      'The question is - do we wait to see if he changes his tactics, makes better sub decisions, get the squad back on his side and plays a formation better suited to our style OR bite the bullet. I can't see that happening to be honest'

      I would have to say yes, I want to wait and see. I hope he tries something different (maybe 2 upfront), I hope he uses the squad differently, IMO Falque and Naughton have earn't more opportunities also Danny Rose has been good for Sunderland. I have read a couple of articles suggesting players aren't happy, but that seems to happen no matter who's in charge.

      All things change in time.


    • 24-Aug-12 11:59 AM

      The guy AVB, you guys have taken on will need a season at least, if he's still there, to transfer he's ideas and choices to the pitch and achieve consistency. So be prepared to whinge a bit and face up to a slip down the table.
      H---Have I worded that right, Harry.

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      • The problem with your assesment H is that there is nothing to prove that AVB's "tactics" will work and IF they don't where does that leave Spurs? After one good season with Porto (the Man U of Portugal) he was plucked by Abramovich to get Chelsea to win the CL, as Porto had done.

        He immediately upset the senior Chelsea players, played some very strange, negative tactics, made some very weird substitutions, did his usual thing of looking smug and Abramovich was brave enough (after wasting so much money on getting him in the first place) to make a quick decision and get rid before it was too late.

        Now it seems he has learnt nothing from his time at Chelsea other than to be a bit friendlier in front of the camera.

        If we give AVB a season and his methods don't work (which I don't think they will) where does that leave Spurs? Languishing near the foot of the table, a depleted, demoralised squad, no reason for any top class players to join us and all in all - up the swanny.

        I don't like his tactics. I don't think 4-5-1 suits us or the players we have. I don't understand his logic as far as subs are concerned. I cannot for the life of me understand why he thinks little Defoe can play on his own up front (I like Defoe and with another player up front he will get his fair share of goals). I don't understand why he thinks Hudd is good enough (in whatever position anybody thinks he can play) and I think he is losing the dressing room already.

        Time will tell obviously but the signs do not look good and personally I hope Levy has the same size balls as Abramovich..

    • BY,
      Just looked Mr Anelka - and you're right. It seems though that he put in a transfer request - from the Wiki:
      '...Anelka scored Chelsea's first goal of the 2011–12 season against West Bromwich Albion in a 2–1 victory. However, this would prove to be Anelka's final goal for Chelsea as he failed to find the net in 14 further appearances in 2011. On 3 December 2011 after Chelsea's 3–0 victory against Newcastle United, manager André Villas-Boas confirmed to the media that Anelka along with Alex had submitted transfer requests to the club and would be free to leave Chelsea in January....'

      ...looks like the treatment he received after he handed in the request was a bit harsh though.

    • Hope Spurs A'tVB against Reading.

    • From memory John dont quote me on it but i think it was Nicolas Anelka and Alex.

      I belive it was the sale of Anelka that riled up the chelsea dressing room and caused a huge training ground tear up with AVB and the senior Chelsea players.

    • I'm not a Spurs fan, but I can't see AVB lasting the season.Poor man management and lack of commonsense suggest to me he will struggle and Spurs will be bottom end rather than top end. I shall watch with interest.

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