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I'll start with your question. I think setting up a 'black' player federation is in itself actually racist. I'm not being funny there. But if that was done for 'white' players, there would be all sorts of uproar.
Surely, the whole point about defeating racism is to have ALL races, creeds and colours together. NOT introducing some form of apartheid. Seems like the brainchild of a single celled amoeba (and that is being amoebaist) to me.
I wasn't trying to get back to Terry per se, it was just with the Kirkland thing it seemed that football, the players and managers, were all treated as special cases. Because racism was 'high profile', Terry gets charged for a comment on a football pitch (that IMHO was insulting rather than racist - as if you take each word in its context Terry never actually thought that Ferdinand was having sex as a black sexual organ - so why focus on black as being something that was actually meant to be taken literally rather than as an insult). BUT, we then see a football fan sent to prison for assaulting a player, when players who assault players/managers/officials on the pitch (and I don't mean dodgy tackles here) or at the pitch side (Gattuso/Jordan comes to mind, Pardew and the linesman (! just for H), Mourinho gouging etc) do not get charged.
Then as I say, some poor old dear gets mugged, the crime is also on camera. The offender gets caught, goes to court, courts the judge by wearing a natty suit, and gets off with a ASBO. Is slapping Kirkland a worse crime than mugging or frightening someone who may be truly scarred by the incident? Ditto for true ...ist crimes - where peoples lives are really affected by an '...ism'. Was Ferdinand truly upset by the Terry abuse - I'm not so sure - and what abuse does he (Ferdinand) come out with each week to other players?
It just seems that anything around the periphery of football gets blown out of proportion.
I know the justice system is biased (if you want true 'bias' in a really scary way look at the Old Bailey case archives from the 17th/18th centuries on line), but the latest 'let's look as though we're doing something' for the media bit just seems a bit cynical to me.
john, i actually think homophobia is a much bigger problem in english football than racism.
but it seems racism is the in thing.
a lot of the people getting on their high horse about racism, also say homophobic stuff.
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Oh so meaty!
SB, I hear far more homophobic jokes/insults on a daily basis than I do racist ones- still wrong though!
JL- the EPL is one of the most widely televised and watched programmes in the world. Maybe the punishments/incidents around football are dealt with differently due to the huge audience it attracts and the diversity of that audience, 'with great power comes great responsibility' and all that. I can't imagine the vast number of Nigerians Chelsea fans thought Terry's language was appropriate! but then maybe club 'loyalty' takes precedent in that incident? it clearly did for Cashley!
Why did Terry need to use the word black? had he called Ferdinand an Effing Cant, Ferdinand may have still been offended, but by using Black in part of that insult, he is implying something is wrong with being black, isn't he? otherwise why use it? the word 'black' becomes part of the insult.
Example: someone drinks the last of my orange juice without asking, I call them a fudging arsehol, if the orange juice thief was black and I said you fudging black arsehol, then I'm using the word black to add emphasis to my insult. What has his skin colour got to do with him drinking my juice? He's a fudging arsehol because he knicked my juice, him being black is irrelevant. If he was white guy I wouldn't say 'you fudging white arsehol' and If I did, what relevance is his skin colour?
(I'm using this example as one of my colleagues drank my OJ today and as a punishment/revenge I put a huge spider in her hand bag)
IMO that is why highlighting someone's race whilst insulting them is racist abuse and is likely to cause far more offence.
Our society is infatuated with the concepts of equality and fairness (I know it fails regularly, but they seem to be an aim/ideal), I think racism is receiving more coverage than usual because it is something that immediately highlights our differences and is used to try and oppress/hurt/insult a 'different' group of people.
We have had two high profile cases of it in the EPL recently and we have just hosted the Olympic's, which is all about unity, respect and fairness. Maybe these factors have added to a prolonged fight against racism.
I need to lie down, my brain is over worked and I'm suffering from a lack of OJ!
Is the Maribor game televised?!
"I think setting up a 'black' player federation is in itself actually racist. I'm not being funny there. But if that was done for 'white' players, there would be all sorts of uproar.
Surely, the whole point about defeating racism is to have ALL races, creeds and colours together. NOT introducing some form of apartheid."
I couldn't agree more John.