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Lost for words. Three players on the pitch who seemed they could pass, tackle or make saves.
The rest looked as though they didn't know where they were supposed to be playing. I thought we were renowned for quick attacking passing football.
But at one point I thought we were going to be poor again and sneak a result.
Oh, and the Ade dive for the Zabaleta yellow was out of order.
I'll leave the subs comments up to you.
I think I must watch different games - this is from the Spurs web site - it is a quote from AVB with regard to the match:
'...“The players showed real desire, we believed we could get something and in the end it was disappointing,” reflected Andre.
“We looked sharp in the first half and defensively we played well. We could have done a little more with the ball but we improved that in the second half and at the moment we were finding gaps and spaces, that’s when we conceded. That put us on the back foot.
“That goal was important because we were looking comfortable with the ball and it gave them the extra impetus to attack us.
“We tried to adapt and hold onto the result but we couldn’t in the end. I look back at the game and certainly making it 1-1 was key for them.”....'
Real desire? Finding gaps? Looking comfortable?
That isn't what I saw - I know we all see things differently, but AVB's view seems diametrically opposite.
What I seem to see is like a team of schoolkids who have been given a way of playing that they don't understand. They know that they need to be in certain positions, but not quite what to do when they're there.
I don't recall seeing us string more that three passes together more than a half dozen times in the whole game and when we did it seemed to be between two or three players who had no where to go. No passing, no movement.
AVB still needs time, but I wonder what Levy's 'progress points' are as to me we seem to be moving backward. The opening game against Toon was relatively OK. Then it appeared to drop to not being able to play for more than a half a game. The last two games, the whole game has been poor. To me it's the manner of the performances that is the most worrying. A flair team with no flair - is that a side effect of too rigid an approach?
The past few seasons (since and including Jol), I hadn't worried about playing the 'big' teams, as I thought we were always in with a chance - both home and away. And apart from the Woolwich game last season where I thought we were awful, I thought we've been there or there abouts.
I'm not looking forward to the Woolwich game next weekend. I hope AVB proves me wrong and at least gets a performance from us.
As opposed to what would be acceptable this season, what do you think would make it unacceptable for Levy to continue with AVB and what are the cutoffs?
I would say that Levy would go for dropping out of the Europa and being either below mid way or so far off sixth in way of points as to make Europe (Cups aside) out of bounds - at Christmas. 17 points now, 8 games to half way - 30 points by Christmas surely has to be a minimum, and still being in the Europa? Or is Levy more impulsive than that and just works on gut feelings?
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I think Spurs need a 'whip' or at least a party line, as Steve Caulker doesn't seem to agree with AVB's assessment:
"In the second half we started to drop off with their pressure, they kept going and scored two goals in the end.
"They are a strong side and we can take a lot of pride in that performance, especially in the first half. We'll try to bounce back in the North London derby next week
Maybe I misunderstood AVB's comments, but I thought he was saying that we started ok in the 1st half and got better in the 2nd (ie did more with the ball and found the gaps and spaces).
After finishing 4th, we invariably don't do so well the following season (of course I've only got one instance to base that on)...looks like we're on our way to mediocrity again.
As mentioned it was just a handful of players that could hold their heads up after this one.
The manager...another coward in a long line of cowardly managers (that is, a manager who's afraid to let his lions loose and go win the game...he got lucky once with this tactic of defending a slim lead, but he's failed a number of times already with the same cowardly approach). Spurs have never really been known as a team with a olid defense in recent times, but we can usually be relied on to create chance after chance and in some cases convert more of our chances than the other team does their's. With AVB not even that is happening anymore...we're now 7th and sliding...the next few games we'll be just as difficult for us as this one was and I really can't see us getting much from them, if anything!
Not sure what the right thing is to get things moving in the right direction...firing AVB doesn't really sound like the answer...maybe having a word with him about horses for courses..Moyes scouts teams before he plays them and sets his team up accordingly, I would have thought any manager worth his salt would be doing the same thing (if ours is, he's not learning much).
We do have injuries (I say our midfield improves right away of the same Scott Parker that was running the show before his injury, returns...ditto Kaboul. If this Dembele "hip thing" isn't too severe (they're treating it with therapy because surgery doesn't cure his aliment...did we buy a crock?) then some creativity comes back (where's Sigurdsson?). 4-4-2 at home is another thing he might want to try (we didn't look so great in that formation in the Europa this past week...but we outscored the opponent (also a bit weak), which proves my point).
Come on you Spurs!! (get it right, and soon!)
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the scary thing is city were poor & had it not been for some woeful finishing, they still would have hammered us!
hats off to sandro. another superb performance especially when he has hudd lumbering about next to him.
also well done to ade who worked hard & run his socks off.
again, another poor performance! avb was so negative & changed nothing yet again.
defoe scores & hatrick & then is put on the bench!
no wonder we never looked like scoring bar the goal which was an awfully defended set piece.
the only positive is maybe another performance is a step closer to levy realising avb was his big mistake.
on a brighter note, i got tickets to the swans game at home next month.
i look foward to seeing avb play defensively & try & snatch a 0-0 at home to the swans!
my other issues is his rotation. vertoghen has just about played every game going. its his 1st season in the prem too.
he is going get burn out by march if avb plays him in every cup & league match going.
u dont need to be einstein to tell he needs a break.
caulker & gallas just dont gel together at cb. id much rather he give dawson & caulker ago together.
im not looking foward to arsenal away. looks like 4 defeats its going to be 4 defeats in a row!
bring on moyes levy! oh & bring fellani with u!