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  • Jlock Jlock Nov 21, 2012 13:20 Flag

    Don't need to be bad....

    I don't think it's about a 'lot' of time. It is about enough time.

    If you employ a plumber to change a tap, then you have an idea as to how long that may take - give or take issues (stop cock doesn't work etc). You allow enough time. You don't kick him out after 10 minutes if it's not done.
    If you employ a plumber to fit a central heating system, you allow more time. You don't kick him out after a day or two.

    The question has always been 'how much is enough time?' in the case of AVB? Levy will have his own ideas and only he and the board knows AVB's short and long term remits (ie was it to restructure the team with youth, was it to win the Europa this season and CL next, was it...).

    So without knowing what Levy has asked him to achieve and when, it's difficult from outside to judge what is enough time.

    BUT, again, Levy will have his 'trapdoor' limit. IE the low point at which the floor beneath AVB disappears. I would guess that Levy would see an exit from Europa and a subsequent low position at Christmas as being a major problem for the club financially.

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    • Well put JL,

      But then I agree with on this matter, so I guess I would say that! good analogy!

      I must confess to not being an AVB and not being at all happy about his appointment. But I am a believer in fairness and despite my initial reservations I feel we must at least give him a chance to initiate the changes that he feels will benefit us. I always felt, judgement prior to Christmas would be premature, I stand by that.

      If we are teetering on the drop zone by xmas, then I think Levy will get chopping, but if we are mid table, depending on who's been available and the way we've played then he may be safe for the season. Right now, I'd give him the season to see what can be achieved on and off the field (IMO we desperately need strengthening). His reputation may help us sign a couple of gems!

      Time will tell, I say give him a fair amount of it, IMO at least a season.


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      • I'm no AVB fan either - I'm not convinced that his record is as good as the media hype would have us believe and I'm not keen on his personality - but none of that is relevant to whether he's actually capable of taking us to the 'next level' or not.
        I'm not convinced by his 'tactical nous' bit either. I don't think you can have a good record over years in the EPL without winning. And if you're winning, personally I don''t give a stuff what the formation is (proviso: the football must be attractive). So if AVB can get wins (in an attractive way), I don't care if he plays 2-4-4 or 6-2-2 or... and if he subs a for b or c for d or play 1 up front or 2.

        As I keep saying, I didn't think 'arry was the right appointment either at the time - as I thought we'd end up playing pretty but ineffectual football and languishing near the relegation zone. Luckily, he seemed to either inherit the team on the cusp of changing or he got positive results all but immediately.

        To be perfectly honest, you can bandy around whatever managerial names you like, and quote past achievements - but I've seen enough so called top managers come from a massive success and then get sacked at various clubs after making a hash, that it seems to be apparent to me that it's the whole set up that matters. So in effect each appointment is unique. Could SAF have done anything with Wigan? Could Martinez have kept Utd at the top'ish for years?

        There don't appear to be any guarantees.

        I think we'll know a bit more about Levy's trapdoor when we see how much AVB does spend in the next window.
        Talking of transfers, my son and I watched the Chavs game last night - and the question of Marko Marin (sounds too close phonetically to Modric for them not to be twins doesn't it?) came up. Now I wouldn't mind seeing a bid for him if the Chavs have no use for him.