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"Re: europas ruined our season"
What I think ruined your season is AVB using the same small core of players week in, week out and not resting key players. Players aren't robot, it's only a matter of time before the high number of games they've been involved in catch up on them. We're now seeing the result of Spurs not having a deep squad to rely on when the going gets tough. I think Spurs would do well to hang on to 5th spot this season as both Everton and Liverpool would have a say on that.
If you were a manager though, how would you handle a season?
If it was me, I'd prioritise with the board and set the basic targets and then adjust the priority as I went. For Spurs, I would 'guess' that CL is the main board target - as again, whether the fans like it or not, the CL brings in the money that allows the squad to grow in quality (and gives the best financial return) - that hopefully then creates that cycle of staying in the top 4.
I would have then used the squad more in the earlier rounds of each of the other competitions with the priority (ie quality of player) being fitted to the perceived value of the prize. The League cup being bottom, then FA then Europa at the top - for me. I would then use the squad across the competitions, readjusting the priorities depending on how well we were doing in the various competitions.
'arry seemed to do that more than AVB (I'd be interested to see player usage stats across the competitions over the past 3 or 4 seasons). AVB seems to have stuck more to a set squad - maybe because of the clear out of 'squad' players during the summer.
Now we've got this far in the Europa, it seems a bit pointless not going for it IMHO - BUT - even though I never expected 4th this season (maybe 6th/7th), I now also want 4th as I think we deserved CL for this season and although in my opinion we haven't been playing as well - we have been at the 'top' for so long it would be a disappointment not to get CL for next season. If pressed, I still would prefer a CL spot over the Europa.
I see where you're coming from though - no one (fans) cares how many seasons the Woolwich bunch have achieved CL football - but they do care about when they won their last silverware.
PS If you get a message from Yahoo - it was me - I inadvertently hit the 'Report Abuse' button on your post. Apologies.
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Outrageous JL, I'm hurt you think I'm abusive, I'll let Yahoo know what I think of that...
I think my point is (although I'm not really sure now), we're NOT the manager, we're fans. We don't have the experience or technical knowledge of the management - when we were shipping last minute goals I thought "that's annoying" not "he wants to be running more intellectually challenging activities at the end of training sessions to encourage players to remain mentally aware until the end of a match".
For a manager or a shareholder or accountant to say getting to the QF of a big trophy - or any trophy for that matter - while sitting in 3rd position is 'ruining a season' is one thing, as they will have a mathematical value of success. For a fan to say is it - to me - ludicrous; it's supporting with your head, not your heart, and seems to be too influenced by media and their coverage of The Best League In The World and The Only Important Cup Competition. Although I do have some awesome memories of CL games too...
However, I will concede to FACTUAL things - getting 4th is a better achievement than a cup isn't factual, but the squad clearout putting added pressure on some of the remaining players is. E.g. Lennon's already played 10 more games this season than he did last, whereas Bale's currently on 4 less, and if we don't get to EL SFs we've only got 8 games left, so he'd only have a few games difference.
If you're really interested, the player stats (games, not minutes played) are here: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Team/Statistics.page?
your missing the point. more CL games is good, more europa games is bad unless u win it or at worst get to the final. your point about more games even in the CL is bizarre. its in the CL! big difference. also a CL qualifer is more games, yes your right. but its to get in to the CL which is well worth. i think john & nbr seem to think my point is more games is always bad. no, my point is more games in the europa is a hinderance in the league. to me, its a hinderance thats not worth it unless u get to the final. i too love silverware. but i dont feel this squad is good enough to maintain top 4 & get to the europa final. so u need to make a decision of which u are going for. i believe AVB has buried his hand in the sand like a lot of our fans,& arrogantly & naively thought this team could do both. but by burying our head in the sand we have spread ourselves too thinly & will now fail at both. id personally have gone for 1 & strongly commited to it. id rather have achieved 1 at the expensive of failing miserably at the other. but seems to me avb & others would rather get quite close but ultimately falling short at both, just to seem positive & say we did our best at both. keep burying your head in the sand u guys, & we will continue to fall short.
AVB has used many of the same players, however if he did use a broader selection, he'll be criticised byt he likes of SB of using players who aren't good enough. There was a small exodus in the summer and we have been in a situation where Livermore and Carroll have been needed. On a positive they have been exposed to some much needed first team football and at times the like of Carroll have looked like decent players for the future.
Our squad probably isn't deep enough, I think many Spurs supporters would agree with that. We lost 3 of our most influential players in the last year, most clubs would be in a far worse situation if they had suffered the same loses.
At the start of the season, there was a general consensus that top four would be a great achievement when everything has been atken into account, 4th 5th or 6th would be very closely fought.
Has the season been ruined? really? huge changes to the club and AVB keeps us in the top 4 for the vast majority of the season. 'Ruined'.......really, some fans don't know how good we have it! they be better off as glory supporters if thats their opinion.
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another great post juan! agreed we with all u have said too.
people aren't looking at the bigger picture. its all very well saying we gave are all to win the Europa & get top 4. but when that means u fail at both it has a huge impact on our hopes of keeping our top players like bale & also of attracting top players.
looks like 5th is best we can hope now & why would bale want to stay at a team who have only been in the CL once.