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  • Jlock Jlock Apr 5, 2013 12:09 Flag

    europas ruined our season

    If you were a manager though, how would you handle a season?
    If it was me, I'd prioritise with the board and set the basic targets and then adjust the priority as I went. For Spurs, I would 'guess' that CL is the main board target - as again, whether the fans like it or not, the CL brings in the money that allows the squad to grow in quality (and gives the best financial return) - that hopefully then creates that cycle of staying in the top 4.
    I would have then used the squad more in the earlier rounds of each of the other competitions with the priority (ie quality of player) being fitted to the perceived value of the prize. The League cup being bottom, then FA then Europa at the top - for me. I would then use the squad across the competitions, readjusting the priorities depending on how well we were doing in the various competitions.

    'arry seemed to do that more than AVB (I'd be interested to see player usage stats across the competitions over the past 3 or 4 seasons). AVB seems to have stuck more to a set squad - maybe because of the clear out of 'squad' players during the summer.

    Now we've got this far in the Europa, it seems a bit pointless not going for it IMHO - BUT - even though I never expected 4th this season (maybe 6th/7th), I now also want 4th as I think we deserved CL for this season and although in my opinion we haven't been playing as well - we have been at the 'top' for so long it would be a disappointment not to get CL for next season. If pressed, I still would prefer a CL spot over the Europa.

    I see where you're coming from though - no one (fans) cares how many seasons the Woolwich bunch have achieved CL football - but they do care about when they won their last silverware.

    PS If you get a message from Yahoo - it was me - I inadvertently hit the 'Report Abuse' button on your post. Apologies.

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    • Outrageous JL, I'm hurt you think I'm abusive, I'll let Yahoo know what I think of that...

      I think my point is (although I'm not really sure now), we're NOT the manager, we're fans. We don't have the experience or technical knowledge of the management - when we were shipping last minute goals I thought "that's annoying" not "he wants to be running more intellectually challenging activities at the end of training sessions to encourage players to remain mentally aware until the end of a match".

      For a manager or a shareholder or accountant to say getting to the QF of a big trophy - or any trophy for that matter - while sitting in 3rd position is 'ruining a season' is one thing, as they will have a mathematical value of success. For a fan to say is it - to me - ludicrous; it's supporting with your head, not your heart, and seems to be too influenced by media and their coverage of The Best League In The World and The Only Important Cup Competition. Although I do have some awesome memories of CL games too...

      However, I will concede to FACTUAL things - getting 4th is a better achievement than a cup isn't factual, but the squad clearout putting added pressure on some of the remaining players is. E.g. Lennon's already played 10 more games this season than he did last, whereas Bale's currently on 4 less, and if we don't get to EL SFs we've only got 8 games left, so he'd only have a few games difference.

      If you're really interested, the player stats (games, not minutes played) are here: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Team/Statistics.page?

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      • Put it down to my senility and poor eyesight - I saw 'Rep...' and as it was the only Rep there - hit it (must have been at the 4 reply limit). I'll put on sack cloth and ashes until Christmas in penance.

        As a fan though, don't you also want to see teams like RM or Barca at the Lane? What other chance is there of that apart from joining the big boys club?

        What the hell though - have faith - we can do both....CL next season and a miraculous performance in Basle..Basel..Baal.... to get us through to the next leg in the Europa.

        Glyphi, Holtby and Demsey are all going to shine in Bale and Lemmon's absence.

      • NBR....At last, a fan talking like a football fan and not like an accountant. I thought all fans got into football for the glory days when your club got to a cup final and you see your captain hold aloft the trophy. We had many a great european night in the previous version of the europa and no-one said it was a micky mouse cup then, even though it was third in line to the european cup and the cup winners cup. Even if we did finish regularly in the top four, I dont think we have owners who would pay top fees and wages for the top players, and would be more content to get by on players just about good enough to get top four . The sooner they make the winners of the domestic cups and the europa cup to join the league champs in the CL the better IMO instead of rewarding the failure of clubs who finish 2nd. 3rd and fourth. Still, I guess its the way of the modern game that some fans are more interested in taking part in a competition that only about eight clubs in europe have any chance of actually winning, and most of them have double or higher our ground capacity as well as rich benifactors who are prepared to spend fortunes. As a fan, give me a cup any day, and if by chance we ever get a squad of talented players good enough to win the CL through youth and astute buys then all the more glorious for an old fashion fan like me.

    • your missing the point. more CL games is good, more europa games is bad unless u win it or at worst get to the final. your point about more games even in the CL is bizarre. its in the CL! big difference. also a CL qualifer is more games, yes your right. but its to get in to the CL which is well worth. i think john & nbr seem to think my point is more games is always bad. no, my point is more games in the europa is a hinderance in the league. to me, its a hinderance thats not worth it unless u get to the final. i too love silverware. but i dont feel this squad is good enough to maintain top 4 & get to the europa final. so u need to make a decision of which u are going for. i believe AVB has buried his hand in the sand like a lot of our fans,& arrogantly & naively thought this team could do both. but by burying our head in the sand we have spread ourselves too thinly & will now fail at both. id personally have gone for 1 & strongly commited to it. id rather have achieved 1 at the expensive of failing miserably at the other. but seems to me avb & others would rather get quite close but ultimately falling short at both, just to seem positive & say we did our best at both. keep burying your head in the sand u guys, & we will continue to fall short.

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      • Why is the Europa bad? We spent umpteen years outside of Europe, and now in the past 6 or seven seasons we've become tooo big for a 'lesser' European tournament?
        OK, I agree it's not the CL - but it's still Europe. Some fans (me included) like seeing us play against the other European clubs. To me, there are 5 events to play for each year - each with its own 'grade' - in my order of importance:
        Winning the EPL
        Gaining CL
        Gaining Europe
        Staying in the EPL

        The cups are odd, as they are not more important to me than being relegated or gaining CL. But I'd rather have a cup and gain Europe than gain it via the EPL. The Europa to me is above the domestic cups.

        That's me though. If you'd rather play a lesser team in the Europa at this stage - then who do you not pick - as surely, given that injuries are accidents and not foreseeable, any player you do pick and who gets injured could jeopardise the other competition. What if Ade had been injured last night or Vertigo or Dembele or...any one of the players may be influential in the run in.