joe,if your going to join in then at least say something relevant! who said the manager should come out & say we cant win such an such a cup? i didnt. also its the same when arry was in charge & said we can win the title. cringing. then avb says arsenal are on a negative downward spiral after we beat them. i bet he regrets that now! why cant they keep their big gobs shut. oh & where did john contradict me? john, where did i say the manager should say to the players not to bother. your as bad as joe at making up stuff to suit your argument.