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Very good Derek, although when we travel north to you I think it will be another case of crushing the rebellious scots. As for the WC, I never said we were going to win it. What I was insinuating is that in time England will develop into a fairly decent side that can compete by the time of the next WC.Something you scots can only dream of. Other than that, I reckon you're right. Ireland can beat us, France will most likley beat us. But the wooden spoon is all yours hun.