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  • arman a arman a Sep 18, 2007 08:00 Flag

    Points taken away based on SUSPICION.....

    TYPOS or not i didnt report it reuters did and Mosley said it...if i am a mcLaren fanatic then what are u...a FIA fan...ferrari fanatic... was i making an opinion of u or ferrari...i think not...my opinions are of what FIA have concluded...why are u so defensive...u believe what u believe and i have my opinions....kapish (capisci)..

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    • Do you know that the whole McLaren paddock was aware of the pit stop strategy of Ferrari in a few occasions this year??
      So what are you #$%$ about? McLaren is getting away with murder!!!
      It's in the FIA report, and Mosley has seen pages and pages of this kind of stuff....he is right to be #$%$. Stop putting it on his friendship with Ferrari - people here still find a way to blame Ferrari one way or another for this saga... really #$%$ people off that somehow someway Ferrari can be a victim.

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      • For those of us who love F1 (and there seems to be many of us) I think it comes down to the season (at least in my opinion) being a wash. We're all passionate and we all have our favorite teams but somehow it's all been ruined. McLaren was most certainly going to win the Constructor's Championship if it weren't for a little matter of CHEATING! Yes, Yes...Nigel Stepney got the ball rolling (for all of you McLaren fans) by stealing from Ferrari but it was Mike Coughlan who took the stolen information, took it to McLaren, shared it with others AND, it may or may not have been used to benefit McLaren. This is NOT up for DEBATE! There is evidence to support this beyond a shadow of a doubt. One of their two drivers will walk away with the Driver’s Championship. The debate over this will rage on for quite some time. There will be those that will say that the Driver’s Championship is not tainted although I really don’t know how they could with a clear conscience. McLaren was found with stolen Ferrari documents. McLaren were aware of Ferrari pit stop strategies (read 3.21, 3.22 & 3.23 below and before the McLaren fans want to argue the Bahrain intel, remember that the safety car shot all pit stop strategies to hell as stated in 3.23) in Australia and in Bahrain, the list goes on....

        3.21 As mentioned above, Mr. de la Rosa's e-mail on 25 March 2007 13.02 stated "all the information from Ferrari is very reliable. It comes from Nigel Stepney, their former chief mechanic - I don't know what post he holds now. He's the same person who told us in Australia that Kimi was stopping in lap 18. He's very friendly with Mike Coughlan, our Chief Designer, and he told him that.

        3.22 The evidence before the WMSC is that Mr. Räikkönen (Kimi) actually stopped at lap 19 at the Australian GP. However, the fact remains that Mr. de la Rosa cited this information as a reason to believe that Stepney was a reliable source of information. This strongly suggests that McLaren had at least taken account of this information in determining its own strategy.

        3.23 The evidence before the WMSC also demonstrates that Stepney had fed information through Coughlan regarding which lap one or more of the Ferrari drivers would stop at during the Bahrain Grand Prix. McLaren has sought to discredit the significance of this information as it proved in the end to be inaccurate. However, the evidence before the WMSC was that the safety car had been deployed early in the race making it likely that stopping strategies would be adjusted. This deployment of the safety car could not have been known in advance of the race and the fact that the stoppage predictions proved inaccurate does not mean that McLaren had not considered and taken account of the information that had been received in determining its own strategy before the race.

        The way I see it, if McLaren used any information no matter to what degree, then they have benefited from this information. If McLaren has benefited from this information then so have the drivers and if the drivers have benefited then they to have cheated as well, case closed.

        Jonathan, You and I see eye to eye on this matter but it's always the guys who are just out of reach of the championship (or their team) that will come up with any reason that will justify cheating. Michael Schumacher won the World Championship 7 times and is hated for it, Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France 7 times and is hated for it.....