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  • Robert M Robert M Mar 31, 2008 20:03 Flag

    Does Benitez ever see red?

    Watching the highlights of the Man U v Liverpool match (a week late), I was once again disappointed with how Benitez couldn't see why his player had been sent off. Mascherano was a red card waiting to happen with his continual harrassment of the referee. When finally he went, you could see the referee warn him in advance and still he continued. But Benitez thought otherwise and couldn't see it. He seemed to think Mascherano was a nice boy minding his own business.

    I don't watch Liverpool that closely and I find Benitez interviews nearly as dull as Avram Grant interviews, but I'm reminded of when Liverpool players have been sent off against Chelsea. When Crouch was sent off earlier this season for his flying karate kick against Mikel, Benitez thought it was all Mikel's fault, for not being injured enough or something, and when Reina was sent off a couple of seasons ago, first for scything down Gudjonssen and then for smacking Robben in the face, according to Benitez it was all Robben's fault.

    Does Benitez ever think a red card for a Liverpool player is anything but someone else's fault?


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    • A lot of people on here thought it was a bit harsh.

      Probably not the best place to ask the question considering how we're Liverpool fans and "would" say that.

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      • Well, I know we all defend our own. I do, too. But the MotD analysts showed how much Mascherano was a red card waiting to happen. However it's not just this one. It does seem (to me) to be a repeated thing with Benitez - his team loses, a player gets a red card, Benitez comes on and complains about the red card, says it's someone else's fault and then says it changed the match (when it didn't). It's like Wenger never seeing anything his team has done wrong.

        Is it every time, or just when playing Chelsea and Man U?


    • I still remembered fondly of a Rafa's quote which says something like if Chelsea plays fair football, then he is little Red riding hood. = )

    • The only manager out of the 'big 4' who answers with any honesty is Fergie and it hurts me to admit that and even he is prone to the odd bull shiit. Rafa blags his way through difficult question when he could/should use the opportunity to show the public that the club does not accept behaviour like that. Wenger talks the most amount of crap out of anyone I've ever seen though he even puts Rafa in the shade.

      There are a few honest managers out there - Paul Jewell, Poyet (although only assistant manager), Roy Keane, Keegan and a few more can't think of them all at present, bu anyway you are right Rafa does at times talk pure trash at times when a Liverpool player is in the wrong.

    • Grant appears to have been selected as manager so that when averaged with Mourinho, their post-match interviews are about of average interest.

      It's currently fashionable to complain about Chelsea hassling referees. Many weeks I watch Chelsea and there is no hassling of the ref whilst I observe it happening by other teams on the highlights programmes, and no-one comments. No team is innocent of it. There was a thread about this on here a few months ago.


    • I certainly acknowledge that Chelsea have had many more red cards this season than Liverpool. Some of them have been deserved, some of them not. (And at least one has been deserved and not given.) There's a long-standing thread on the Chelsea board relating to this.

      However, that wasn't the first sending off in two years under Benitez. I've already pointed to another in evidence, m'lud.


    • Robert, your right no team is innocent, but I think you can say that Chelsea, and Terry in particular do have a habbit of getting into the refs ear. While I think the point at which Masch was sent off (asking the ref what's going on about the yellow to Torres) was very harsh, I do agree he was on the edge with his talk back to the ref and linesman. His mistake was letting what was at best a borderline decision for his first yellow get at him. I think its fair that on any other day, if the incident with Cole had not occured, then Masch would not have been sent walking.

      Pesonally I'd like the whole thing cleaned up, so while my bias makes me feel Masch was treated harshly (the sending off that is, I do think his rant after was unacceptable), what is really hard to take is the inconsistency. Cole gets only a yellow after blatent disent after a rash and possibly dangerious challenge, other players you admit (and not just Terry) regularly swear directly at officials, while others obviously play up injury to try to get harsher pusishments for opponents. But then is a space of a few days, the rules change, and asking the ref a question, without any abusive language, earns a player a second yellow, minutes before half time, during one of the biggest games on the EPL calendar, and while no-one will ever know, most likely sealed 3 points for the team now looking most likely to take the title.

      Now tell me if you think Rafa should have blamed that all on the player?

    • I saw the match highlights on MotD last night (as I was away for a week) so I didn't see it all but what I saw is probably fresher in my mind than most others. After being booked, Mascherano repeatedly during the first half had a go at the referee and several times made aggressive gestures at him and appeared to be being abusive. When Torres was booked, Mascherano ran from twenty yards away to have a go. Alonso tried unsuccessfully to stop him. When he appeared in the ref's face you could see the ref saying to him, back off or you'll be off. Mascherano didn't, he kept on, he got booked and was sent off.

      It wasn't harsh. The yellow he got for being in the referee's face was deserved for the many times he had done it. He had been warned. It was his own fault, period. You can't complain about Chelsea and then excuse Mascherano.

      It's entirely irrelevant to the Cole incident. I think Ashley Cole should have been sent off for the foul. I don't know what all the arguing was about. But what happened in that match does not excuse Mascherano.


    • This is so old news Robert, It is like we re-re- rediscuss Terry trying to snatching cards from the referrees hand again.
      What point are you trying to make or are you just trying to stir things?


    • Robert, I'm not trying to excuse Masch. I've had my say on here last week about the whole thing, and don't think we need to raise it again, other than to say there maybe a difference of opinion. But, what I am trying to say, it this is yet another example of inconsistency that is driving me nuts.

    • Think I was clear. I'm not a fan of any of the little games played to try and influence the ref. Whether is trying to get in his head by abusive language, kind words, or rolling around on the ground like you've just had your foot ripped off.

      But what drives me nuts the most, is the inconsistency in how refs deal with this. Players are going to push the envelope wherever they can, and I don't think we should complain about that. Its about trying to be competitive. This can be claiming throw in's they know they should not have won, or trying to bend the offside rules by getting just half a step. If players know they can gain influence with the ref, they are going to try, no matter which method they choose. But when the rules on what they can do, and can't do change from week to week, that drives me nuts. So one week you can slag the ref off, but the next asking questions about a call is not permitted? Where is the rules book?

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