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  • colin colin Jan 23, 2009 22:14 Flag

    STYLE...does it matter ?

    Dsteer...In answer to u post. I think its necessary to play true wide men ...WIDE . Hit the line with such players and cut the ball back fast and low or float it over. This would be distasteful to Senor Benitez as it could engender a breakaway BUT it could far more often result in GOALS. This is not going to happen under the stewardship of Benitez who much prefers to utilize the strikers and wide men he has bought as bloody holding midfielders. Riera certainly has theskills to produce the goods if given the freedom to do so liewise AL Kzar. but I feel we will have to wait till Benitez is down the road before we see a return to winning I said WINNING not drawing at Anfield and WINNING with some .....STYLE !

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    • This is a tricky one. The one word answer is YES. However I think you are looking at the past with rose tinted specs on, and show a naivety when it comes to assessing the modern game.

      For example United have just gone top with a series of dull, shaky at times 1-0 wins. Chelsea have been shaky all season, learning despite the ambitions of Scolari, that playing with style is not something that a team can just go out and do. Like anything in football, it relies a huge amount on what the opposition do.

      I don't think it can be said that we didn't play with style when dismantling Newcastle recently. The issue is that when given space, players will express themselves. When given time, and the team as a whole is playing positively, most teams and us certainly, have the ability to suddenly switch on the style and play like potential champions.

      The issue is that teams like Wigan, Stoke even, right the way up to a hustling bustling Everton, or even a hardworking quick Villa side, don't allow space. Manager's are so tacticaly aware now, swap secrets, ensure their players are so disciplined, that teams are especially hard to break down. This season is the most competitive on the whole I have ever seen throughout the whole division.

      To demand the club dismiss Benitez, and that this is required to move forward is absolute poppycock. Whatever manager we had, fans would moan about him, his choices, tactics, etc. Thats football. The cold hard facts are these:

      1. Benitez is respected for good reason throughout the footballing community. If he left Liverpool, there isn't a club in the world that wouldn't want him to fill any vacancy.

      2. He has a respectable record in the transfer market. The kind of manager that makes his mistakes and gets rid quickly, but the successes outnumber the failures, and financially outweigh the dross. We have players bought by and who are hugely loyal to Rafa. Mascherano, Torres, Xabi, etc etc.

      3. We have won the biggest trophy in club football under Rafa and reached another subsequent final (which if you think we were lucky in 05, we were unlucky not to win on that occasion...personally I don't ). Plus until recently we were sat atop the league by right. We've won the FA Cup, and enjoyed some of the most magical nights (Chelsea 05, Arsenal last yr) that I can remember at Anfield, all under Rafa.

      4. He genuinely works for Liverpool football club with all his being. It matter to him more than anyone else. Managing a football club becomes his life. The players, reserves, kids, diet, hotels, opposition, and go knows what else. As a fan, I trust Rafa and what he says as being neccesary to safeguard the future of the club. He is the most dedicated manager I have ever known, and he deserves a lot of credit..not the ridicule he gets in some quarters.

      Lets see how this season ends up, and then we can have the arguments. As far as I'm concerned, a fan that calls for the manager to go mid season, UNLESS there is huge trouble like relegation looming, or a massive scandal, is not looking at things in the right way...We might yet win the prem and CL. However at the start of the season I said I'd settle for the FA cup and a competitve league seaqson.

      AND before Paisley starts....YES I criticise Rafa after somegames, but that criticism nees to be seen against my general support, as pure frustration at certain things he does which I don't understand. But then why should I. I design Exhibition Stands for a living. He's the football manager!

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      • SIDESHOW...in response to your well put arguement Im sixty and as I said have supported the Reds since I was a small kid but realize the necessity to :move with the times: and stay current where the modern game is concerned.
        Of course as u say when players have space they can express themselvesbut real style is to play with flair when under pressure. When u are being man marked and the opposition is hustling that flair then will ensure that the opposition makes fatal mistakes as.... when they hustle quickly to close down space for the man with the ball intelligent quick running OFF the ball can open up a defense. I keep saying the coaching emphasis under Benitez does not emphasize OFF the ball play as that would be contrary to his :hold-position: strategy.
        This strategy is the reason we see so many ineffective back and forth exchanges between two defenders deep in our own territitory until they are pressed by opposition then the ball is either hoofed up the middle or down the line for a quick loss of possession.
        Of course Id like to see us win the League Title but I think this is highly unlikely as I think Benitez is unable to inspire the team ,to lift them, to instill the confidence to go for the jugular where inferior opposition is concerned. This because his safety first approach is all too evident to everyone. Its as if he is encouraging opposition to come to Anfield and park the bus because ...they can be reasonably sure of getting away with it. As u say u are not a football manager and neither am I but Benitez IS ! Therefore its him that should be ensuring that inferior opposition do not come to Anfield thinking they can :get away with it:...the :destruction: of one or two of these sides would ensure that.
        You speak of Chelsea and Manures recent results, squeaking by with a one goal deficit win but then both those sides WENT AFTER THE WIN to the last seconds...and got it ! In Chelseas case they had all the attacking players in that days team selection out on the pitch at one time at one point. I dont think any of us even with our traditional detestation of the Mancs would begrudge them the credit due where their attacking flair is concerned.
        Benitez substitution policy is I think to most fans totally incomprehensible... plus he continues to use players he has spent heavily on :out of position: mainly to facilitate his:hold-position: strategy...safety-first always his emphasis.
        I dispute your contention that he has been astute in the transfer market look what has just happened with Pennant; a player who can produce style...of course he isnt a favourite of Benitez hes got flair when allowed to use it but hes been LOANED out to Portsmouth for the rest of the season why wasnt he sold and sold for at least what was paid for him ? Itwas a shame to see him having to be a CHASE-BACK midfielder when he is so capable of producing the kind of exciting wide play needed to produce goals. Of course the manner in which Benitez has Kuyt playing wasnt for him. How is loaning him to Portsmouth for the season astute but thats just the latest example. I would refer u to Jose Pombals analysis of Benitez transfer dealings.
        I still believe we would have more chance of the Title if Benitez was sent down the road now and Sammy Lee appointed in his place.Yes it sounds radical but then maybe something radical is what is required rather than the idea of :better the devil u know than the devil u dont: because that is just ....SAFETY-FIRST thinking .

      • its more of a means to an end. chelsea played boring percentage football under jose, and won trophies, and chelsea fans seemed happy with that, arsenal play attractive attacking football, not won anything but praise for 3 seasons. united arguably play attractive football and have won trophies, mainly because there is no one to match us in counter attacking, this season united have had to play ugly at times, but its put us top for the moment, wilst we are happy being in that position, we have all been saying we cant wait to hit form, so again, mean to an end. would rather win playing good football but if your not on top form, win ugly. given the current climate on that liverpool are desperate to win the title again, im sure most of you would rather win it playing boring than be exciting and win nowt,