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  • arnoldlayne arnoldlayne Oct 21, 2009 11:37 Flag

    Thanks Rafa but you got to go!

    This can not go on much longer, the club really is becoming a joke and much of it is down to rafa (put the 2 yanks to one side for now); He has clearly lost the players and the ability to motivate them pre-match, mid-match and post-match; The mess he has made of the team as a whole, his bizarre signings (and sells), his mad subs, his complete lack of tactical knowledge, and his insane comments mark him out as a man who has had his chance;

    Taking just tonights match as an example, it is obvious gerrard was not fit and should not have played lasting just 20 mins, if that! Then he brings on a bloody left back to replace him (was babel just a bit annoyed or what?) Why was jamie C playing on the right wing in the final 10 mins? We lose torres and replace him with a lad who cost next to nothing and who is clearly not ready for top flight football;

    The simple fact is we are an average side, even with gerrard and torres in the team; our best hope this season is a uefa cup spot come May;

    Should say thanks to rafa for the european cup & fa cup wins but go for the sake of the club;

    As for who replaces him, I have no good answer but whoever it will be they will have a massive task on their hands sorting the team out and getting teams to pay decent money for a number of average players;

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    • I am pretty much agree with you bt then look, my friend....

      The fact is; we are pretty sure we are out of the title race right now and not possitive in the Euopean Championship anyway. So since are already in a bad situation which could not get any worst,let give Rafa till the end of the season and see where we stand in the table.

      After all, Rafa has been bullshitting over the lack of transfer control and finally he is now. But then the summer transfer came Alsonso issue and the lack of money for big name. So I beleive nothing much he can do.

      Now since he is in full control of the transfer decision and I want to see what he can do this January and also how effective is R. Aquilani as per Rafa described.

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      • Rafa is going to stay, probably till the end of the season, is a reality because the yanks do not have the money to sack him.

        Unless we can do what we did last season again, but starting from now, otherwise we are out of the EPL title chase. For the top 4, I don't think we are that bad. If we can win all of the next three qualifiying matches, we are in the chase again, and we do have a good chance. So, except for the premeirship, don't talk down our spirit.

        Looking into our team. Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Carra, Aurelio, Yossi, Masch, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres. Weighing them one by one, I am sure they can win us the trophies. I am really looking forward to putting Aquilani into these. When we check on the bench, we have Insua, Riera, Babel and Lucas. These four are 1-2 tiers below our regular 11.

        Seeing the regular 11, all were recruited by Rafa except for Carra and Gerrard. If these 11 can play all 50 games per season, we can win every trophy you can think of. Rafa has proven himself to be a master tactician in big matches, when the top 11 are fit. If we do not have them, he is hopeless. That is where Rafa's merits stop.

        Buying Aquaman to replace Alonso is the major downfall of Rafa last summer. He should have realised Alonso's departure was inevitable, and Aquaman will not be fit for 2-3 months. Rafa had no alternate plan. Or we should say his alternate plan has failed miserably. Rafa himself is the only one to blame.

        The Rafa suporter may blame Parry for the fiasco on Robbie Keane. So I don't count this transfer. When we look onto our bench again, Lucas, Babel, Riera, Insua are already the best. The rest are Dossena, Ngog, Degen, Kyrgiakois, Voronin, Spearing, Kelly and El Zhar. The last three are too young, the other five are hopeless. Do we have some experienced but oldish players can run for 1-2 games a month, or 10-20 minute at the end, such as Hyypia or Scholes/Giggs. Rafa had no replacement for Hyypia and has no intention to have an old head in midfield.

        In the recruitment of squad players, may I list some garbage Rafa got in the last five years: Numez, Josemi, Pelligrino, Kromkamp, Zenden, Pennant, Speedy. The last two might have their moments of glory but very very short. The rest were just a waste of money.

        I cannot write off some good players forced out of the squad, not to anyone's fault, of course, Alonso is the biggest name. The others are Momo, Garcia, Kewell and Smicer.

        It was such a long search for a star striker by Rafa. The money we lost on this was astronomical. Robbie Keane was not the only one we made substantial loss on, what about Morientes. Can someone tell me how much we lost on him in transfer money? Then Bellamy. He was known to be uncontrollable, but Rafa still got me saying he was changed. Then what? Bellamy pulled Riise down with him. For the other striker Crouch, did we make money on him? Kuyt was the other one failed as a 20 goals per season striker, but Rafa salvage some pride to put him as a good winger. Fowler may be counted as a success, but that was only be sentimental.

        In terms of young player development, I have written on this board a lot on this topic. For teenagers, it is too soon to say to appraise Rafa, but he has got to be more daring to give them chances. Just five minutes at the end of a game would be enough. For up and coming players, Insua may be good. Lucas is marginal. Babel needs a lot of mindset adjustment, but look like being another Speedy Gonzeles. Ngog is a dead wood.

        For all these, we have to give all our support to our manager. Rafa must stay at least until the end of the season.

    • Liverpool are making a big mistake with Gerrard. He's injured so get the surgery done. All this patching up isn't working, especially if you can't rely on Gerrard to finish a game.

    • Panacea: Is that the Italian bacon stuff? Great wrapped round monkfish!

    • colin, i would expect you to and i will stand by it

    • In the 5 years he's been there he has spent: £228.6 million on the team...and the areas that he's spent most in are in midfield: £60.35 million and strikers: £69.3million..


      And yet STILL the squad is struggling!!!

    • SPURS BABE...very interesting post. Perhaps u are right, Ramos did a good job at Sevilla but wasnt right for Spurs , u are correct when u say he wouldnt do the simple things well as Harry DOES.Same thing with Benitez the man is super stubborn persisting with bizarre formations and rotation forthe sake,of it it seems in some perverse attempt to finally prove himself right and EVERYBODY else wrong. Good luck to Spurs thisseason playingf some veryattractive football and good to see ROBBIE KEANE recover his confidence after his illtimed sojourn with us.

    • Keep it up lads, who needs opposing fans to undermine the club when there are myopic muppets like you lot around.

      Bob B.

    • cool a rafa-lover, i am sure dear old bob sits down each night and babbles to himself 'in rafa we trust' over and over again!

    • Spot on Sideshow,

      I have tried to avoid getting involved in this debate which is pretty turgid, and worse destructive.

      However, there are a bunch of people on these boards who still think we have a god given right to win because of what we achieved 30 years ago. We do have an exceptional history but it is exactly that, history. Screaming to bring back King Kenny and the boot room boys will no more bring LFC success than the succession of Newcastle old boys managed to achieve at that club.

      The fact is that we are now like any other team having to work hard to build a winning formula. That is a much bigger issue than just the 11 that trot out each Saturday as it includes issues such revenue generation, youth squad development, fitness programme development plus a whole host of other requirements.

      To lay the blame for our current predicament solely at the feet of Rafa is as idiotic as to suggest that if we won every week it would be entirely down to the manager. Similarly to think that his departure would be some form of Panacea is just plain daft.

      Bob B.

    • Colin,

      Your reply sums up my point exactly regarding why this Rafa argument is futile.

      You and your lot believe one thing, me and my lot believe another and both sides are pretty entrenched. We have all used stats to prove our points but these are largely ignored, leaving opinion and subjective arguments as the weapons of choice, all of which have been done to death over much time and many posts.

      Therefore all the internecine warfare amongst the LFC fans is doing is giving succor to the opposition fans and wind up merchants who want the worst for our team. I for one would prefer to deny them this, which is why I have tended to largely keep out of the Rafa debate of late. The catch 22 is you then get comments like the one from Arnold!

      The eternal optimist in me would quite like to see these boards return to a forum for debate about team selection for the next match, review of the last one and general discussion about the club’s development. However, I fear this is right up there with the snowballs chance in hell.

      As to the sheep comments, odd that a bunch of sheep worriers could still beat the cr@p out of the anglo-saxons in the Rugby earlier this year. That nasty piece of sh1t Nick Griffin must be weeping in to his watery English ale.

      Bob B.

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