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. . . the disgusting, racist , vile club known as LFC ?
Showing another one of yer racists on the match highlights . . . you just couldn't make it up!
Know doubt you lot will be on here trying to exonerate another one of yer racist fans.
First Suarez, then the Oldham match racist , now monkey racist, how many more? . . . oh hang on . . . all those racists that were booing the Vindicated Evra.
Disgusting fans, disgusting players and basically a disgusting club!
Robert of course the Neville comment was disingenuous; it was a tongue in cheek comment back to the manc I was responding too. You’re the only one taking it seriously.
In fact here you go again, wanting to talk about the subject you keep accusing others of being obsessed with.
You know very clearly my opinion on the matter, and you know very well its highly unlikely your going to change my mind. So again, why?
Come on Robert, let it go. You’re not going to convince those who hold a different opinion than yourself, at least not at this stage, so why not get back to talking about the actual football. Most on here welcome different views from rival fans, but even the patient amongst us get bored of someone banging on about the same thing again and again.
Suarez is back on Monday, what do you think the odds are he’ll get a goal before Torres? Surely that’s a bit more fun to talk about that the fact fans boo opposition players.
Come on, to suggest Evra got booed because everyone was missing Neville is, shall we say, a trifle disingenuous? I know that not even you believe that.
So your point of view on Suarez is that everyone accepts his guilt except you and the reason you don't is because you pay more attention to things than the rest of us? So we've all missed something? Care to tell us what it is?
My guess is you have no more relevant information than the rest of us because the relevant information is what came out of the report and we are as capable of reading that as you. I can certainly believe that you have studied the LFC website more than the average non-LFC supporter, but I hope you're not thinking that that is a source of unbiased information. As we know, it has been a source of great hostility to Evra, going as far as to libel him.
Robert you brought it up on this thread, I just posted I thought we'd boo Neville if he was still around, so why not boo Evra instead. If there is every a game between LFC and MU without some abuse thrown at the players by the rival rans, I'll be very surprised. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Its besides the point is a reality.
But I'm sorry if you’re offended by the fact my opinion is that the panel investigation did not prove to my satisfaction that Suarez racially abused Evra. It did reach the minimal threshold to ban him, but like I said I'm personally not convinced.
End of the day it does not matter if I am or am not convinced as my opinion is of little value in this case. He got banned, accepted the ban, so we move on. But that does not stop me holding a personal opinion here. Neither you, the report, or the endless inches from the media has convinced me there is proof that Suarez said what he's been found guilty of, but that is just my opinion.
Maybe I do hold this view partly because I'm a Liverpool supporter. But it might be that I just pay a little more attention to things because it involves a player from my club, and feel based on everything I've seen and read that the case was not proven. If it was another player at another club (Terry maybe) I'd probably pay less attention to the details and therefore maybe more easily swayed by partial knowledge, or rely on previous assumptions about the player in thinking whether it was likely he said those words or not.
Do I not let it go any more than you?
What more do I want? Two things. Better behaviour at football grounds, including my own. And for Liverpool fans to stop portraying their player as the victim. I find your and other Liverpool attitudes towards the Suarez issue as being determined to see him as innocent. You may say that the club and you accept he's been found guilty but you're constantly making comments implying you don't really think he's guilty, just as LFC has done. And the attitude of LFC towards Evra has been nothing but hostile. I haven't yet seen a single apology to Evra for anything, not even the libel.
I think that if this was some other club your attitude to it would be quite different.
Robert you really won't let this one go. Why?
Fans are going to boo at football grounds whether you or I like it or not. What motivates them is going to be different for each of them, but to try and police what is onside and what is offside when it comes to what motivates a fan to boo is ridiculous.
But where a line can be drawn is whether a fan is overly abusive in showing their displeasure at certain opposition players. Its clear LFC does not tolerate racial taunting, which is why in both FA cup fixtures fans who crossed the line were held to account with the help of the club. I'm not sure what more you or others really want on this front.
lastly I'm sorry if my burden of proof is a little higher than your own. I don't know with certainty, or beyond a reasonable doubt what was said between Patrice Evra and Luis Suarez. The panel found the preponderance of evidence supported Evra's version of events more likely than Suarez's which was enough to get him banned for 8 matches however. The club accepts that, the player accepts that, as do I, however accepting its likely he abused Evra is quite a long way off proving to my satisfaction that he did. But if you accept preponderance of evidence as proof, so be it.
I'm far less concerned with Rangers fans booing Terry than I am about Chelsea fans picking on Ferdinand. Ferdinand's done nothing to deserve abuse.
There's booing and booing. I agree that giving a bit of stick to the rivals is just part of the fun. But I deplore:
- booing an opposition player who is lying on the ground because your player has just fouled and injured him
- booing the team list of the League 2 team come to play you in the cup on their big day
The picking on Ferdinand/Evra is similar to the booing of the injured player that your player just fouled. It's inappropriate and bad. To excuse it with "there are still a good few Liverpool fans who feel the whole truth may not have come out of the process" just shows that it is you and they who made up your minds and weren't going to let evidence get in the way of deciding your man is the victim, rather than seeing it as you would if you weren't a Liverpool fan.
Robert you need to lighten up mate, not everything you see wrong with football is a sign of the downfall of society.
Fact is there is always plenty of booing at a match between Liverpool and Utd. It does not take a racism case to bring out the boo boys. Evra is just the current pantomime villain, just as Rooney has been, and an old favorite, Neville, who always got plenty of stick, and often tried to return in kind.
Is it appropriate to boo someone who's been proven the victim of racial abuse? Probably not, and I doubt I'd join in if I was there. But it’s not appropriate to boo a player who's been injured but fans think he's taking too long to get on a stretcher, but we've all seen that. In fact was it correct for the QPR fans to boo Terry over the weekend? He's not been proven to have done anything wrong yet, so should be considered innocent until proven guilty, but still the Rangers faithful gave him an earful.
End of the day that's football, its not always dignified, not always right, and rarely politically correct. But also do consider that while you've made up your mind on the Suarez/Evra case, the press has also, and obviously the FA panel did, as they found him guilty, there are still a good few Liverpool fans who feel the whole truth may not have come out of the process. Does that give them the right to boo, I don't know, but I don't think it makes them racist or actually much different from the majority of vocal supporters in the stands.
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