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Was wondering if we're gonna be splashing the cash on players this summer? I mean on players £30m+ and bring some real class to the team?
Think you have to look at this a different way and ask are any high profile (read expensive) players coming into the prem period. I might be wrong, but to date I think Hazzard is the most expensive at about 40M. Even City so far has been very quiet.
Some will say that is a sign we've got no money, but does no-one other than Chelsea have any cash? I think more likely is the overhang of FFP is starting to bite, and it’s not just or even mainly the transfer fee you need to look at, but the total cost of the player including wages over his contract. Chelsea having got rid of some high wage earners (Anelka, Drogba, etc,) maybe in a position to bring someone in, while other clubs would have to move someone off their wage bill before bringing someone in.
For us I think that means a decision being made on the likes of Cole, Aqualani and maybe a couple others who are at the upper end of our pay scale have to be made. If the gaffer thinks they can make us better then there may not be much room to bring in a high profile player. Otherwise they'll be put on the market, or loaned out if they can't be sold to reduce our wage bill, and make room for replacement players.
The exact same thing is happening elsewhere. One assumes City has plenty of money to buy whoever they want. However until they get some of those players who are eating into their profitability (the likes of Adebayor, or Tevez, etc) off the books, while they may be able to afford a Cavani or a RVP, they risk being well foul of FFP.
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Something's definitely changing in the transfer market nowadays.
there is still the odd mega transfer but everyone else is looking for value. It started some time ago after Fergy had stated that there was little value in the January window. Slowly building ever since.
I'm hoping that we might see a slow decline or levelling off transfer fees and players wages. It'll be for the greater good of the game in the end but part of me is saying that there will always be clubs and players that will push that boundary.
Regarding Carroll he was a rash buy IMO.
We should've bought a player based on how many goals he's scored and how many he's likely to score (in the case of a striker). Carroll wasn't a prolific striker.. so hence why the waste of money accusations..
As luck would have it we've an 18 yr old on tour , who looks the business and didn't cost the earth.. So it'll be interesting how he'd do in he EPL?
I suspect that your owners, being more familiar with money than football, might be a little reluctant to spend more than £30m on a player after the last experience.
In fact, I'm not sure any Premiership club has a particularly good track record with £30m+ signings. Off the top of my head, I can think of only Rio Ferdinand who has been a successful signing at that level. Oh, and Aguerro probably. But thinking of Shevchenko, Torres, Carroll, Berbatov, Veron, Robinho there would seem to be rather more disappointments than successes.
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Not sure what you mean by "more familiar with money than football", I assume it’s a little jab to suggest they don't know what they are doing and only interested in money. But it seems to me they actually have a very good track record in sports management. Leave the tactical side to the best available coaches and managers, and focus on the strategy which will provide the funds to invest in a winning team.
But I hear what you’re saying about the success of the high priced players. It’s almost a kiss of death to label a player with a huge price tag. I do think it’s fair to say we've been guilty of overspending (Carroll) but it makes me scratch my head when a I see a club doing it again and again and still not getting the results you assume they were after, especially if their owners supposedly know more about football than money.
Why is everyone SO fixated on bringing in expensive players?
Expensive does not guarantee good, for one thing.
Secondly, I thought we wanted the good old glory days back at Anfield. That means bringing on our youth and buying "lesser" or more to the point "as yet undiscovered" talent and bringing them into the philosophy that is Anfield.
Building success is all about laying good foundations, not buying in prima donnas who will turn around and leave at the drop of a dollar bill.
Sorry but you are in that same bracket Robert. You are however just further down the line in that process. Both Chelsea and City have used millions in the form of a "donation" of sorts to improve their league position.
Having done that you are now beginning the process of trying to become more stable at that level. However I still see RA pumping a good few beer (or vodka) token into the transfer kitty. As we did last year I might add. I'm sure City will do the same.
"...your future will not be decided by your youngsters! "
I wouldn't disagree with that. The top clubs put quite a large amount of effort and resource into their youth systems but I don't think it is realistic to expect the top few clubs of today to develop a home-grown team that will be in the top few teams of tomorrow. I think Barcelona is a red herring. In general the top clubs will be buying their best players, as they always have.
I was responding to the suggestion that Chelsea's approach is merely to buy the best players. In fact, as well as buying some great players, Chelsea has been busily developing a lot of players too. It is a mistake to bracket us with City in this regard.
Everybody's played at right back and no-one's stuck. I didn't think Bosingwa was too bad actually - his main problem was injuries. He wasn't Ashley Cole but then, who is? I notice that Ryan Bertrand can play right back so maybe he'll get a chance / the poisoned chalice. And if Terry, Cahill and Luiz are all fit then Ivanovic can easily be spared to play there.
But there have been persistant rumours linking us with Maicon and Azpilicueta so maybe Roman's next yacht will have to wait another week before being ordered.
I think it depends on how you deem the word 'developed'. I see a lot of bright young things snapped up by Chelsea and reappear at other clubs later on. They certainly have a lot go through their books. Borini came into Chelsea as a kid and was 'developed' there but was deemed surplus, he went to Italy on a free and has now moved on for £9m, that may suggest the core development has happened after as surely development should be rewarded financially?
I think the academy is meant to run at a profit, task 1 is to get players available for the first team, task 2 is create sellable assets surely?
Ermmm, we were once linked with Micah Richards. Does that count? Let me see - Giggs has played so many times at SB he must have been on our books once? Bellamy? He's played for everybody.
What do you mean they don't count? Alright then, Jack Cork - you can't deny him.
So I make that three of our kids, two who moved on, one who is still with us, and Sturridge who we nicked from City. Isn't having three of our youth academy quite a good result? Can any other club claim as many?
Yup that's it. What comes in must be greater or equal to what's gone / going out over the reporting period.
I'm sure there's ways round it as City for one will push those boundaries. I guess they have to with a balance sheet like theirs at the moment. Wages alone are 120% of club revenue I believe or something like that.
United are the one's to watch. If / when they float on the stock exchange their financial capacity will be enormous. And yet they still aren't going crazy in the transfer market either.
Value is the key word and it seems many clubs are beginning to grasp the concept. Probably in part thanks to Barcelona who have demonstrated what can done with the right youth policy. Ajax before them. Value wise we have failed miserably for years when you look at our transfers. We've even managed to generate bad value out of players who cost relatively little!
We need to change that first and foremost as well as build the foundations for a solid future. That means youth, club structure, coaching structure, playing style etc. To complment that we also need fully exploit every possible revenue stream we can.
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