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  • colin colin Sep 5, 2012 11:57 Flag

    cast your minds back

    Hobs...been posting up this same theme for over a season now to a chorus of boos from dsteer and co. who much prefered to wrap our kids in cotton wool till they hit pensionable age yet the evidence suggests that all the true Greats of the game debuted at an early age...seems the likes of dsteer and co dont want to let em anywhere nr the starting eleven till at least age 25 !??? It doesnt matter what era u choose to check on the Greats all debuted at a young age and in our clubs case if the money aint there anymore what is the alternative is this a case of Necessity being the Mother of Invention ?

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    • Colin I think this is the second post where you've called me out this issue of player young players, and since you've misrepresented my thoughts here I'll respond here.

      Yes there are some great players who have emerged as youngsters, some even as teenagers, and maybe we have one of those few on our hands with Sterling. However the vast majority of footballers don't peak till much later in life, with many not capable of playing first team football until they are in their early 20s (I never said anyone under 25 should not be in the first team that is complete nonsense.)

      In my view if a player is good enough to play he should play regardless of age, almost exactly what BR, the man you seem so critical of as of late, has said. That means they are both physically ready, technically ready, as well as mentally ready to run with the big boys. But if they are not good enough then you have to ask why they are being thrown in the deep end, and also ask will the toll of early failure hurt them more than help them.

      But lastly just saying "play the kids" seems a silly thing to say in my view, unless you know they are good enough compared with other options. We do seem to have a few right now who are good enough, and a coach with the attitude that he'll play the best 11 regardless of age. But in the past when you've made this blanket statement I'm not sure we have had kids that were good enough. I don't follow the youth team closely, but you have to ask if these kids you've talked up so much in the past were so good why after they've been released or sold on have they not got first team football at a top club?

      Where is Nemeth now? A series of loans as he could not get into the Olyimpiacos side, and now with a smaller Dutch club. How about Dalla Valle, one I think you championed? Could not get into the Fulham side, so now on loan at Exeter. There are others who of course have done better, and I'm sure you might bring up Ince. Yes he's doing well at Blackpool but doing well at a Championship side, and being someone who we pin our hopes on to improve LFC are two completely different things.

      Needs may necessitate that we play youth in the coming months, and I do hope the likes of Sterling will prove to be that one in a hundred player who as a teenager can stand among men. So far he looks the real deal. I hope the same for young Adam Morgan also, whose drive and determination are hard not to admire. But I'm not sure he's up to the grade yet, and in my view could use some game time where he can develop his technical skills, and so important as a striker, his confidence, rather than risk it being bruised as he finds life playing against the best center backs in the world is not quite the same thing as U17 academy football.

    • Here's another article that puts a positive light on things


      It seems a few of us (apart from the SOS people) have shed most of te doom and gloom fo now and are actually looking at things as they are.

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      • The problem with promoting young players is it's far easier to bring in one or two into a winning side when the pressure is off.High expectation can damage some of these kids ('cos thats all a lot of them are)In the good old days a kid may spend 2-3 yrs in the reserves before he became a regular.A few of these guys have to move and start at a lower level and get experience before they flourish.(Ince,kacaniklic, Guthrie, Hammill etc.
        The urban myth about fergie winning it with kids, That squad had schmeical,irwin,parker,bruce,Pallister,keane,cole Mclair, cantona as well as the "kids" (scholes as an example only made 18 starts in all competions) Yes they played but they came into a relatively successful team which was winning quite a few games.
        Can we be sure that a lot of injuries at a later date in a players career are not related to the amount of football they played whilst still developing? Owen,Gerrard,etc.
        The game although less physical now is much much faster,turning,sprints etc are all done at a much more intense level of even 10 years ago.Risking your investment and time spent developing these players is another way of wasting money.Just like buying a guy then loaning him out the season after!

      • Its a good read, obviously its red tinted glasses to the max but it puts good cases across in most terms. I think most of us have graduated from the phase of Anger at the transfer window, clutching at straws in old timers out of contract, realisation of reduced expectations, acceptance in youth development and playing style.