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me personally i am sick of hearing how we "dominated the game" i hate to break the bad news to this great manager dominating games without scoring is just completely pointless
so we are 14 games in with 16 points thats a third of the season gone based on that and the simpliest of maths come the end of the season 48 points maybe
not good enough
I've been banging on since the guy was appointed. He talks a good game and seems to have lots of friends in the media but the bottom line is what is happening on the pitch.
His job is to get the best out of what he has and, in my opinion, he hasn't done that.
Kenny (or DC, or both) spunked lots of cash on mediocre players and none but the most optimistic expected BR to get us into the top 4 this season. But - we've gone backwards not forwards and that is down to BR.
He has a chance in the next six games to get us on a run. If not we'll be facing a relegation battle until the end of the season and that is unacceptable with the squad he inherited.
Time for less talking and more action.
- 1 Reply to Paddy
I'm not sure what people would like him to say. Not talking with the press is not an option as all managers are obliged to.
Is he lying or making things up? We dominate games create chances but don't score enough, is that not a fair summary of what BR says and what most keep saying on here.
Is it the positive tone people don't like? Would they prefer the doom and gloom of Roy which saw the players heads sink lower and lower each week?
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all good mate hows things at your end ?
its all smoke and mirrors with brendan he says what the fans want to hear he blows smoke up there asses and week after week they accept it
so people are probably wondering why all of a sudden am i sick of rodgers after 14 games
twice in less than a week he has stated " i have funds and will be adding to the squad to in january to improve what i have already got"
the very next day "i may wait until the summer transfer window to add players as the group we have only needs slight improvement"
then theres the "we dominated the game thought we deserved more" line which he regurgitates every week
as i have previously said domination is useless without goals
To be honest, all his press conferences seem a joy to me after Dalglish's strangely defiant ones and watching Roy scratch himself to bits. He does seem to be really happy with performances whether we win, lose or draw, if anything he seems happier when we lose! In this particular example, I think he is right, a lot of people comment on it without watching the game and we were dominant and unlucky though made it a mountain after that opening 16 minutes.
At the end of the day he is probably running out of things to say, he can't build his own finishers and nothing has changed in terms of the recruitment between Aug 31st and now, all he can do is work on improving the collective, the organisation and the tactics which is what he is doing and doing well. What would you prefer him to say? If he come out and said we were beaten by the better team, he would be wrong because on the day we were better, I think that is widely agreed upon.
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I think the point is that you can claim to be the better team occasionally when you don't get the right result, but not every week. At the end of it all, the better team is the one that scores the most goals, not the one that makes the most passes, has the most possession, hits the woodwork the most, runs the most miles or has the most waffly manager.
I don't see much wrong with that, and don't think we really disagree. Other than I think I see our current situation with a little more realism that you do in terms of the team BR inherited, the state of the club, and what is realistic at this point in the season.
End of the day football is all about expectations. For me I think we have to recognize there is now a big difference between where we'd like the club to be and where it realistically can be at this present point in time. That is not a lack of ambition, because I still think it’s not just possible, but is inevitable that we will again be challenging for high honors in the not too distant future. But it is a heavy dose or realism of the shock our club has suffered over the last few years.
Some want to blame managers when clubs slip up, and managers do need to take a healthy portion of the responsibility. For us that of course means asking questions of Roy, Kenny, and yes Rafa as well. But I think we also have to look beyond the managers and look at what they all had to work with and what they had to deal with that was beyond their control, and that means asking tough questions of the board and owners. We were hours away from possible liquidation, had massive negative investment in playing staff, and fell not just in terms of league position, but also in terms of earnings.
We've had to rebuild, and not just on the playing side of things. Therefor I think we have to be realistic in terms of how much work still needs to be done, how long it will take, and how long it will take to translate into results on the pitch.
But think of it this way, other clubs who have faced similar shocks we've been hit with have quickly fallen out of the top flight, some down many tiers, and some out of league all together. Prime example of a big club is Leeds of course, but I’m also talking about the history of football in England, and what happens to once great clubs when they are financially mismanaged. We also know mistakes during our rebuilding have occurred (at least ownership have admitted to mistakes) so in terms of expectations, maybe we're actually doing better than we give ourselves credit for.
I think I posted somewhere before that a pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist - it's all about your perspective and point of view.
You think you're more realistic than me which is fair enough but at least recognise that actually you might be being optimistic and maybe I am the one being realistic.
I always understood that our club wasn't going to get into the CL spot this year (I think most fans did even if our owners did not). The difference is that I don't think that 4 points off of a relegation spot come the end of November represents a reasonable return. As I've posted quite a few times it's my view that BR has had rather more resources at his disposal than a number of clubs above us in the table. You disagree which is fine.
Let's hope that come the end of the season this is a meaningless argument because BR has us up in 7th/8th. If he does, then I'll consider that a decent first season.
I'd like to butt in if may on what is a nteresting discussion.
Firstly do I think we are under achieving? Yes I do but not by much. The form of the second half of last season seems to have been very quickly forgotten and we weren't hugely better before that. Simple truth is that our first 11 has been in decline for a number of years, all the way back to when Benitez was around.
Add in a fair crop of youngsters with the naivety and inexperience that brings along with a squad that's been thinned out through sales (much needed IMO) and injury and we are where we are. Plus also have a new manager, again with little experience and LOTS of new ideas. Simply trying to get them all together was never going to happen over night.
I expect things to improve, they've got to. January signings can only really improve the squad let's be honest however I am increasingly aprehensive about our ability to sign good quality players at reasonable or even bargain levels. Do you honestly think we could have found Michu for £2m as an example? I doubt it. We've paid "bargain" prices for Assaidi and Yesil as 2 recent examples but they don't contribute much so jury's still out I guess.
Sorry Dave - now you're making things up.
Where have I said he needs to fall on his sword? I don't want him sacked or want him to resign. I want him to stop telling me that things are great or that our expectations should be jack sh*t. I want him to take the responsibility that the job entails. Why is that unreasonable?
Also I note you didn't answer the question I posed?
PS, no don't think I am actually. Here's what you said you want BR to say:
"I want him to acknowledge that our results so far this season are unacceptable and that he takes responsibility for it."
I inferred as you don't mind what he says from your earlier post that you want him to say/admit this with a negative tone, and obviously not spin things.
So basically you’re asking BR to say it’s all his fault, or in other words, tell everyone he's no good as a manager, or as I said to fall on the sword, as I can’t image any manager would have a tenable position after making such a statement.
As for your question, I did not directly answer it, but did address it. I don't accept he's taken the same squad plus 25M backward simply because it’s obviously not the same squad when several senior players left the club.
Hi Noo Noo
I think that's well put.
"increasingly aprehensive" is probably a good description of how I feel at the moment.
That said - good run of fixtures coming up so hopefully we'll feeling more positive come January
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