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I might be being a little unfair to Suso, but maybe I'm just expecting more from him as he's exceeded my expectations for him so far this season in other matches. To be honest back in pre-season I thought people were mad saying he needed regular football with our first team. I thought he was too lightweight, and made too many over ambitious plays due to a lack of a mature footballing brain. However I'm fine saying I was wrong, and he's done much more than I would have predicted so far this season. But what has impressed me is that he's a player that has provided a spark: he'll take on a defender, or look to create something from nothing, and often pull it off. But today while I should give him credit for putting in a good shift, and of course setting up our goal, I just did not see that something special I've greedily come to expect from him.
On Downing I agree I think at best he's fast becoming a backup forward for us, but depending on who comes in January (assuming we go for a forward who can play wide and centrally) his opportunities are going to diminish quickly. But I also have to give some credit for his effort today. I think he did combine with Jose well, tracked back well, and had to deal with who imo was Udinese's biggest threat all match in Fabbrini, who did his best work when lying deeper on the right side.
On Sahan, much like Borini discussion I think we should not rush to judgment. I did not watch him in Germany, but my Turkish friends rave about him. I'm not sure how his English is, or how he's doing settling into his 3rd country in 3 seasons, but his technical ability I think is clear, it’s just a question of if he can put it into practice to really make his mark with us.
And, lastly as for Agger, you've got to stop forgetting your friend there is prone to hyperbole every time he opens his mouth, just as our manager is. So when they say we played well, just so you think as your supposed to (rather than trusting your own eyes and judgment after watching the full match) discount by at least 40-60% whatever they say!
I'd just like to chip in having only seen the second half. Thanks work.
One thing that struck me with Allen was how much the others, particularly in midfield and defence rely on him. They are currently treating him like the fulcrum, which is a player we need for sure but he's being caught out as are others who are simply incapable of taking some responsibility themselves. I refer to one area where there were a number of passes back and forth to allen from a number of other players. It looked good until Henderson forced a bad pass elsewhere. Mark my words this guy will come good, very good and the addition of Steady Eddie Lucas will only help. I actually have greater concerns over Gerrard who IMO hasn't really go started this season as we know he can.
Sahin going off with a broken nose? I wasn't aware but why go off? It's only a busted nose.
Other than that I thought we were relatively in control from what I saw. Given a stroke of luck with the soft sending off and then a huge slice of it at the end with Di Natale. I pooped a bit at that point.
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For me Allen has already come good, and is one of the key reasons why we look so much better this season. He's calm, collected and really keeps the tempo for the side. However I do think he's become a little sloppy of late. I also agree others do rely on him, but that is the role he has, he has to be the outlet.
Who knows why he's slipped a bit, but my guess is simple mental fatigue. Between a full season with Swansea, the Olympics, and featuring I think in almost all our matches this season I think he just needs a break. But also bear in mind he is not a defensive midfielder, but a holding midfielder. With Lucas back I think we'll see even more from him. Against Sunderland he was much further forward, and for me looked very dangerous at times.
On Sahan, not sure if it was a break or just a bad bleeder, but I think from what I saw it just would not stop gushing, so they officials would not let him back on. It seemed at least 5 minutes or more he was standing on the sideline with the doc and physio sticking things up his nose, but it would not stop. So I think the change was more precaution to esure we did not stay down on 10 men any longer than we had to, and potentially concede a silly goal.
But do think it worked out with Hendo playing further forward. My guess is since the original game plan was to have Sahan and Allen sit with Hendo forward, and save JonJo for the weekend, but when things were forced, I assume they kept Jordon in front (even though that would have been the more natural position for JonJo) because that he'd prepped for that role, and to be fair it showed as I think it was one if his best outing for us to date.