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  • Bullshit, Dave, bullshit. When you claim "empirical evidence of measurable improvement" you need to come up with something better than you've watched some games and it seems to you you're playing prettier football. Irrespective of how much I've watched, there are plenty of other Liverpool fans here who don't seem to share your enthusiasm.

    You rubbish Hodgson's brief reign and agree it was right he was sacked. After nineteen league games his team had, surprise, 25 points. He lasted one more game. Same point last season you had 31. It seems to me that 25 points so far this season is not evidence of progress, but that not being dismayed about it is evidence of how far expectations have fallen.