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More embarrassed by the performance if I'm honest Robert. If Mansfield had won or drawn the game I'd have nothing to complain about.
Some positives mind. Sturridge's goal and the fact the Rodgers did change things when Mansfield piled on the pressure at the beginning of the second half. Many would (including your current manager) would have sat on it for a while longer I suspect.
Credit to Mansfield they more than highlighted the many weaknesses in our squad.
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Noo Noo...have to agree with u 100% ...Mansfield merited at least a draw ...Actually I thought our performance was shocking and yet again for me highlites the factthat BR just doesnt realize we havent the personnel to play Barca style tici taca and its nonesense to think we have. Mansfields direct approach in the first 10/15 mins of the 2nd half was almost our undoing and it was such a contrast to our own style of backwards sideways back sideways there direct ball always moving...FORWARD ! I mean The Bluenoses scored 5 at Cheltenham...therejust isnt any excuse and BR should fess up to that...for me I have no further confidence in his tactics frankly I dont even find his version of tici taca that attractive or entertaining being used to a weekly diet of Barca playing it it just looks to me 3rd rate.
Im not calling for BRs head and believe he should be judged at the end of the season notnow and I will remain in support of the manage but frankly I think the man needs to perhaps look at just whats going wrong and not make the excuse we didnt field a strong starting 11 ...hes starting to look tactically like a one trick pony to me and if thats the case every manager in the Prem has him well sussed.r
Sturridge should have had at least 2, if more composed, Shelvey wasteful as well. So while it wasn't, it should have been 3/4-0 and out of sight.. It's not a game of what if, so credit to Mansfield, we clearly were uncomfortable with direct football again, and I'm confident if Reina had been playing it would have been 2-2 or a loss, but it's over and done with..
"I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and say it was a reaction, he's a goalscorer and I think goalscorers put the ball in the net anyway."
"No I don't. For me to come out and say something like that I think would be quite cheap. If it had gone in the other end and one of our players had done it I think we'd have accepted it,"
For the record, it was blatant and I don't condone it. Cox handled and spoke far classier than I would have, but is he saying anything further from the truth when saying if it were his side?
Since you follow LFC more than some people here, this should be easy.. Could you cite the last specific example of a Liverpool win as the result of Suarez cheating Bob?
- Sunderland 3-0, 2 goals..?
- QPR 3-0, 2 goals.. ?
- Fulham 4-0, 1 goal.. ?
- WHU dnp 3-2 .. ?
- Udinese did not score, 1-0..?
- Southampton did not score, 1-0.. ?
Yes it was cheating and should've been disallowed.. Very naughty Luis.
He should've been sent off too if the ref had seen it.
However that been said good to see Dan score.. and on his debut..
Pleased with the result given the performance.
On the last bit, I think ED said everything I was going to ...
Of course Chelski players don't cheat do they?
John Terry cleared a ball that was well over the line against Ukraine in Euros. Funny nobody called him a cheat when he didn't inform ref it was a goal eh?
Talk about double standards !
Actually Robert, yes I am pleased. A potentially tricky away tie on an awful pitch was dealt with.
As for embarrassed, I recon the officials might be feeling a little red faced today. They saw a ball to hand incident while the world of Monday morning quarterbacks are now telling us it was not only hand to ball, but some devious plot by the man with the fastest hand reactions in the world to yet again cheat. Of course they might also be a bit embarrassed by the yellow card issued to Sturridge for jumping in the air and landing in the wrong spot.
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Certainly I think the referee should be embarrassed. I don't think there will be many people who think he got it right. Curiously, he was the same ref when Suarez and Evra had their little chat. I have a high respect for him but I wonder if that previous incident was playing in the back of his mind.
Here's the incident, unless it has been taken down since:
To me the bit around the 50s mark from behind is the most telling.
Robert how is it "cheating" when the ball bounces and hits his hand and he's not able to move his hand away in time? Besisdes the ref didn't blow the whilstle nor did any linesman flag.
Had they done so then fair enough. It's not up to the player to say "oh hang on ref I think I accidently hit the ball with my hand, old boy oops ".
No a player must play on until a official decides on any action needs to be had.
Was it unfortunate LFC won in that manner yes it was. I'm sure Luis himself would prefer to just put the ball in with his head or foot.
We don't disagree about video technology. I've wasted more electrons advocating that on these boards than anyone.
Years ago I used to play competitive table tennis up to county level. The culture in that was much more sporting. There wasn't much to argue about but in general players would agree without recourse to appealing to the umpire, and deliberate cheating was almost unheard of. Most competition was in leagues where the standards of the players were reasonably similar. Sometimes you played knockout cups or handicap cups where there was considerable difference between the skill levels of the opponents. My recollection in those events was that the better players would go out of their way to treat the lesser players in a sporting way and not do anything which might be seen as underhand or gaining an unfair advantage. And when I played others good enough to stuff me out of sight they always treated me like that.
Perhaps it's the difference between amateur and professional sport. But the third round of the cup is the place where dreams and legends can happen for the vast mass of players and fans who will never make it to the top. It's a huge shame for Mansfield that that goal happened as it did, much more so than probably any other goal your team or my team will score or miss this year.
We can agree that it is a huge shame for Mansfield.
On the rest of your post I think it's clear that different sports treat things in different ways. I doubt if playing table tennis at a level which was very important for players (e.g. olympics) would give the same result but golf, for example, would.
But that is not what you're posting about. You're posting about a football match which is important for both clubs. I say again, I wonder if you'll feel the same way the next time Chelsea play a team from the backwaters of Europe in football terms? Or the next time England play San Marino?
Well that was a splendid rant. Well done. All I'm saying is that I think a bit of embarrassment is in order to win that way against a team four divisions below in the third round of the FA Cup. If it had been Chelsea I think and hope I would have felt embarrassed. You can quote me on that.
No, I may not. It doesn't seem the same to me. However, I will feel the same way if Chelsea are drawn against a non league team in the cup.
In fact, I have form on this. I have a number of times in the past commented on my distaste of Chelsea fans booing the reading of the opposition team list before cup matches when Chelsea are playing lower division opponents. I think those clubs should be welcomed to SB with more warmth and generosity than the standard premiership team.
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