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Far be it for me to try to cheer you all up, and as much as I enjoyed the last half hour and was a confirmed and lifelong Oldham fan by the end, but had Gerrard's screamer (that I told my daughter was coming real soon) gone in five minutes before the end, do you think the conclusions would all be the same?
It's a genuine question. These cup games are pure banana skins. Norwich lost to Luton yesterday, Spurs lost to Leeds, Chelsea nearly went out to Brentford. The opposition may be from a lower league but what they lack in skill they make up for in passion and adrenalin on the day. How many times has it been said "if they played like that every week they wouldn't be going down" or in that division or whatever?
The conditions weren't good, (although not as bad as the wreck Chelsea played on) and things didn't go right for you. But had Gerrard's shot dipped in or one of the other rebounds gone in, would the conclusion be the same?
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We can all play 'what if'.
What if Baxter hadn't tried to be clever in chipping Jones, and the other forward not missed his sitter, etc. Oldham seemed to have the clearer chances; Liverpool's were all scambles in the box.
Mine would have been Robert.
I think he made a mistake in selection and, had Gerrard got an equaliser, I would still have thought that.
I've been around long enough to know that, even if you pick your strongest team, these things can happen. It's just my opinion that he got it wrong on the day.
Fair comment Robert but for me it's clutching at straws. We were beaten fair and square by a team who believed they could win, defended like terriers and chose tactics which unsettled the opposition. No excused, it was a defeat and could easily have been five or even six three counting as a goal gerrards bar strike!
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His defending on the first goal was abysmal, his goalkeeping (Jones or Gulasci to the glass empty brigade) was shocking on the second.. His first touch has also been atroscious in the box today as well..
These are all PHYSICAL elements that say Sack Rodgers!
In more polite, sweet, and pleasant terms that won't make some cry, this is a shocking performance, AND credit to Oldham for their performance! This is why 7 Prem teams are no longer dancing, and 2 others took about 90"+ to get their way through..
(Just an opinion, this will galvanize everyone ahead of our league match, though that shouldn't be said, or needed)
I'm in the other camp.
Winning trophy's has to be the end game. We're not good enough, and haven't been for a while, to pick and choose which competitions we'll target.
4th place is only a stepping stone to building a side capable of winning cups not a cup in itself (I disagree with Arsene).
I think Kenny understood that last year which is why he played a decent side all the way through the League cup campaign.
You have a serious set of stones buddy..
As for yet more sarcasm Jason - maybe you should try accepting that as a fan I am allowed to offer a criticism of our manager without incurring your ire?
For whatever length of time I've been here, I've been noted as a sarcastic person, and usually I intend it to be humorous, obviously not in this instance, but you seem to either ignore or not able to decipher the difference, for which I cannot apologize..
But for you to say you're not allowed to express yourself or criticize without incurring my ire, is about as hypocrital as it gets.. I commented (sarcasm noted) directly to the thread, on my own, not intended at anyone, and YOU then singled me out, and then followed up with letting me know the stars you gave me for it.. Did I say your name? Did I mention you? Did I reference to what I expect your synopsis or opinion of the team or game was? N. O. NO NO NO.
It's clear you don't like my style, and a few others, though it seems a fair share don't mind it, agree and even manage to see the humor or demeanor in which I intend it, so again, I can't help you there.
Here's a couple of black and white facts from today.. Wisdom was terrible, Coates was diabolical, Jones should be taken behind the barn where the injured race horses go, and Sterling, Sturridge, Borini, Henderson contributed absolutely nothing going forward, yet, they're the same players, including Jones and Wisdom who've been included in battering's of Norwich 5-0, Sunderland 3-0 and someone else in the recent trail.
As for Carra, he's been a brilliant servant to the club, but I personally do not trust him in any game anymore. That's ME, that's my opinion, that's my preferfence... is that ok with YOU? He also, presumably might have been saved for the minnows coming up named Arsenal and Manchester City.. Heard of them? Have you considered that? Either way, whatever the reason, X amount of years doesn't warrant anything if someone doesn't think you can do the job, but again, he normally starts these games as he did Mansfield, so would it make normal, half witted sense to assume Rodgers gave thought to that and had a reason? Unless of course, you were privvy to that and know better and can enlighten us all? If so, please indulge..
And, for the last time, I'd never suggest putting me on ignore, but if you disagree with my view of the team, Rodgers and direction that's one thing, but if you dislike the manner in which I type in some instances that's another, and to be quite Frank (who's Frank?... get it?) for you to make the statement that you did, quoted above and then use it as the benchmark for how I should talk to appease your liking, is a very poor indictment of you indeed..
To then follow it up with the stars thing is quite sarcastic and ironic isn't it? I said nothing of course, but credit to you for staying the course, because I didn't realize someone could cry so much, so often, so routinely, so categorically consistent and rhetorical, on a message board. Well done indeed..
Again, to be Frank (who's Frank.... get it?) If you don't like it, or me, then figure it out.
PS 27 negative stars and smileys for whatever.. =)
Hindsight is a very precise science, but last week I felt that this was an upset just waiting to happen, and so it did. Dis-respect your opponent and suffer the consequences which we did. Our defence was a shambles with too many changes and too many youngsters. If we had to rotate then why the hell wasnt Carra in there to get a grip of organising? We were bullied out of the game for long periods, part down to inexperience and part down to a referee who allowed a lot of mauling and manhandling to go unchecked. We were denied 2 penalty calls, one when Gerrard was wrestled to the floor and then when Sturridge was clipped from behind, but hey, that fink Lee Probert has proved himself time and time again in the past to be no friend to Liverpool and I think it was with these thoughts in mind that caused Steven Gerrard to exchange quite a few verbals during the latter stages. I was suprised we didnt start with Carra or Jonjo Shelvey cos they both know how to handle bruisers and can look after themselves. Flanaghan and Coates didnt seem to know if they were coming or going and Wisdom didnt shape much better. Up front Luis tried his best with precious little support until Steven and Stuart Downing and Shelvey came on but the changes were dribbled on far too late. Raheem Sterling was bullied out of making any real contribution but I was quite taken aback by how ordinary Dan Sturridge was made to look with no trace of the telepathy that had seemed evident previously between him and Luis. Sorry to say too that Fabio is a complete waste of space and I wont be sorry if we never ever ever sign another Italian again. Last but not least I was very disappointed with Brad Jones performance and if Pepe is off to Barca at the end of the year we had better look smartish in getting a replacement. Funny but Oldhams Dean Bukarkis appeared very useful and used to be on our books but was allowed to drift away...yet another like Tom Ince? At the age of 70 I thought that the years of experience might have given me the ability to deal with setbacks like this but right now I feel all the same "cat kicking" fury I used to feel as a teenager when we'd been tonked by some little club. I still remember Worcester City FFS! Back to the drawing board Brendan!!!
Yea, of course I get it you silly goose you.. Thank god for keyboard warriors eh? Very cute, when I come visit again in March, would you actually throw your computer at me?
What's the club's mantra again... YAWN?
On paper the names on Liverpool's team sheet should've been good enough. However, tactically they were the wrong combination... Playing Suarez, Sterling, Sturridge AND Borini all at once probably felt like a goalfest on paper, but in fact it just left the midfield weak and that put extra pressure on the young defenders. Robinson, Jones and Coates were were not up to the job unfortunately.
The moment Gerrard and Downing came on, Liverpool were able to control the midfield and the game completely changed. Sadly Oldham had already scored 3 goals by that point. Hopefully big lessons learned today.
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