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  • Paddy Paddy Feb 15, 2013 10:10 Flag

    LS7 - 2011

    Hi Jason

    I know you were playing devils advocate but here's what I think ...

    1) I don't think it will be up to us. I reckon Suarez is looking a more & more frustrated figure. If we finish 7/8th with no cups and he doesn't see any sign of improvement - I think he'll go.
    2) I think you can forget attracting the likes of Cavani to Anfield for the foreseeable. Why would a professional with that talent choose to come to a club finishing mid-table in the PL? Selling our world-class talents only makes sense if you can replace them with better - that seems extremely unlikely to me.
    3) Suarez does miss a lot of chances but at the moment he is carrying the goal threat of the team on his own. Last night he had zero support. Most of our supporting midfielders were 30 yards away from him. He created at least 2 out of those big 4 chances on his own (with the another the result of a great bit of movement and a pass from Gerrard).

    In summary, the reality of what will happen is that if Suarez goes it will be of his own choosing and we won't replace him with a world class talent. At that point we'll be wishing we had someone getting into the positions to miss the chances that he did last night.

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    • Hi Ps,

      Right, like I said it was just being Devil's Advocate, but like you pointed out, he is cutting a disgusted figure, which is in part down to the overall performance last night, but often he does that and it's sometimes due to his own style, which prior to his amazing start to this campaign, has been something we've all seen.

      I personally don't think he'll ask for a move this summer without someone/something tempting him.. And, while maybe it was all a media rumor, or in fact smoke where there's fire, Pep Guardiola's agent is his own brother, who is Suarez' agent, so there's that, and the idea of going to Europe's 2nd best club at the moment (imo), is hard to turn down.

      If someone comes in for him, or he does ask for a move, we get to ask for no less than 40M which is his release clause, and why I pointed out Falcaos 48M and Cavani's 58M.. So, IF it were to happen we can stand as firm as we did on Torres and get close to 50M.. Again, not that I want it, just saying, and as for Cavani, I've resigned to never getting him a while now, he's still my favorite footballer but he says he's not leaving Napoli and father said maybe Madrid one day (vomit).

      But, all the names and replacements aside, let's say he is reverting back to the very wasteful player he has been in the past and can be, I was just emphasizing that it's strength of squad that make teams great, with 1-2 great players. While he may creat more chances than anyone we know, perhaps close to Messi, it's about what you score, not what you create. Just remember our home game last year vs Arsenal.. We kept Van Persie quiet as a mouse for the entire match, he never got a sniff, until he was delivered 2 great passes, and he took both chances, and we lost 2-1 in stoppage time..

      There is no player attainable that can create like Suarez and again I agree we couldn't directly replace that, but since it's a conclusion we're losing Reina, probably selling Downing, and Carroll to go to.. with the "IF" on Suarez, that's alot of money combined and if we could add 5 very very good players who can all create and score, in addition to adding what we lack in midfield and defense, it's a compelling argument I struggle with.

      At the moment, Sturridge and Gerrard aside, there's nobody within miles of mentioning, playing anywhere near Suarez talent or level, and I don't know we can get them or they're available, so it's becoming a dilemma already..

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      • Hi Jason

        There's a lot of that I agree with.

        I have a slightly different take on the 'squads win things' argument. I think good squards coupled with one/two worldy players win things. IMO good squads get you so far but you need special players in those squads to go all the way. Suarez is one of those special players. Van Persie is another.

        At the end of the day it depends what the owners want. JH is on record as saying he wants to return us to the top of the league. You do that by keeping your best players and adding others. You don't do it by selling the man responsible for most of your goals in a season and replacing with 3/4 squad players.

        If JH meant what he said, then the club will fight tooth and nail to hold on to LS.