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  • Loki Loki Mar 12, 2013 23:32 Flag

    Tiki taka is poo

    Having watched Barca destroy Milan, I realised how rubbish tiki-taka is, and how easy it is to play against when you're set up to counter-attack. I think Rodgers is a dope for trying to 'copy' these methods of possession and pass and move, and we need to mix it up more with more balls lumped forward. In fact, I want Allardyce as manager and for us to switch to percentage football with a huge battering ram up front - I am convinced it will play dividends. I think our 20 odd goals scored to 2 conceded in the last few games show me we're really not progressing how we should be!

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    • You want a manager famed for long ball tactics as our manager? Shakes head !!1

    • Loki...ok I hold my hand up...I cant say fairer than that can I. Watched Barca last night at their majestic best...unbeatable. BUT...what I stated in my posts was nothing like what u are admittedly in something of a wind-up posting here. I have never posted up that TIKI TAKA was a rubbish tactic I simply stated as the title of the thread stated that it was in its "death throes." Why ? Because as u well know Barca do not play like they played last night all the time, last night was the peak of their game. All I was stating was that imo it has run its course as a tactic that a side can employ to the exclusion of all other alternatives. Why ? Because far too many coaches have tippled to how to generally combat it effectively. Also Tiki Taka is NOT pass and move...it can be when played to perfection but we HAD been playing pass to the nearest red shirt to deny the opposition possession the MOVE part for much of the season has seemed absent.
      Also if u can find a post Ive put up that states we "We need to mix it up more with more balls lumped forward." I will then readily hold my hand up again BUT please dont give me all the malarkey of " Well..you certainly "implied" as much." Ive already gone through all that refuting the "implied" nonesense on other posts here no need to rehash any of that. Simply put I "implied" nothing; what occurred was u placed your "interpretation" on what I stated in my posts and subsequently in u responses attempted to "imply" that what u had interpreted from my post is what I had actually stated. What I have been wanting to see is the MOVE side of PASS AND MOVE incorporated more into our game and stated that I wish the players we actually have who are capable of "showing" the ball to a defender then actually taking him on and by beating him temporarily taking him out of the game and therefrore technically speaking leaving one of your own players unmarked is what I have meant by "mixing up the playbook" btw read up on the legend of Stanley Mathews to understand the concept of "showing the ball". Stuart Downing has been masterful recently in doing just this thing and is the reason imo that we are starting to see what Kenny saw in him when he was bought. Couhtino , encouragingly looks like another along with Suarez capable of showing the ball tooand is doing so already its what denotes talent...I can take mediocre players and make a good team out of them if they play the tactics to perfection what I cant do is instill natural talent the kind of gift George Best Suarez Messi Maradonna Stan Mathews Pele and many many more were gifted with and when u have that kind of player on your books u should make sure they stay there ! Mediocre players to play to a "system" u can find anywhere.
      Football is a strange game on the day anybody can beat anybody ( Oldham Athletic @ Boundary Park FA CUP ring any bells ?) Thats why there are bookies on every street corner. BUT dont want to take anything away from Barca they were absolutely SUPERB last night !

    • I think this was due after Colin's berating of them lately. I swear we have stopped playing that way recently and seem a little more offensive and direct. Gerrard seems to be hollywood every pass but they all are coming off, whatevers happening, I like it!

    • Cheeky post!
      It's an awful way to play. They even mixed it up a little with passes in excess of 10 yards, especially in the first half hour.

      On a serious note, they play so high they are open to the counter attack.

      One thing that did really stand out for me last night was when they lose possession the speed at which they hunt down the ball and regain possession was frightening. I lost count of how many times they tackled or forced an error from Milan in the last third of the pitch. It lead to Messi's two goals in fact. When they had possession they actually slowed the game down and were actually resting! They lifted the pace of the game when defending!

      For me there's a lot we can take from it. Defend hard, fast and press hard from the front. Squeeze the game but have pace at the back. Be patient when in possession but for me I think it would be a little difficult to mirror Barca exactly here. Tinker the tactics to suit the abilities in the squad. I also like to stretch teams out wide.

      Oh isn't that what we're trying to do?

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      • Colyn ..good post agre with u entirely...it was phenomenal how quickly they regained possession last night they were superb playing at their peak. I believe against Spurs though the other day I saw a lot of the same intent in our lads. Have a read of my post in response to Loki's here ...I hold my hand up for what I said about Barca but think u will know what my thinking is if u read that post in response to Loki's. GREAT entertainment last night though...football at its best.