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It's not about reinventing anything BUT IT IS about turning a failing club around and setting out the way a club does things. Basically for the first time since Joe Fagan left we have a plan.
Here's what Rodgers has said recently
“When I came in I sold the owners that idea so that if it doesn’t work out for me, at least you bring in a different manager who wants to play the same style and then it evolves,” says Rodgers. “I want to create a shortcut so that everyone who comes in immediately understands what is expected in terms of style of play. It saves time, money and effort. This is the first year of that and, naturally, there are growing pains.
“The alternative is you have no plan. You start one way, that doesn’t work so you bring in another manager who wants it completely different. Half your squad plays one way, the other half another. All you get then is stockpiling of players. Then it’s the club’s fault if you’re not successful, not the players."
I said that we haven't had a strategy since Fagan left. It's completely true. In Dalglish's first stint he didn't build for the future and the club failed to embrace the new media age and the PL. Souness tore it all apart, the rest were simply scrambling. It makes complete sense and needs to be seen through. If it isn't Rodgers fine, but at least get someone in that follws the same ideals and principles. There is that much work to do at Liverpool!
Sorry mate couldn't disagree more. As my previous ID on here as disappeared due to this shyte new board, nevertopthekop_18_5, people will hopefully remember my biased views that KK is the man and I think the guy who has posted this post, rrichards,is perfectly spot on.
We've basically got David Brent as a manager trying out all what he thinks are "new age" management styles with his fecking 3 envelopes etc etc that I was doing in business management training 20 odd years ago !
Like the guy said he is not saying or doing anything new, it's just that most people who support LFC haven't seen it since KK was last in charge doing it the Liverpool way, YES I said KK as I disagree that it was Joe Fagan who last had a plan, it's not as though KK was there first time around as a caretaker manager.
He managed for 4 years winning 3 titles, 2 FA cups, 1 League Cup, and 4 Charity Shields !! Was that purley by chance then?
He's have probably won the European Cup as well if we were in it because the side he built with Beardsley , Barnes, Aldridge and Houghton was probably one of the most entertaining I have ever seen. I agree about Souness etc, but the wheels fell off after the Hillsbrough disaster I'm afraid and we ain't been the same since.
Like Colin say's look at Cloughie, in fact look at Fergie, Paisley, Dalglish. They didn't need notebooks and fecking pie charts.
If this is "turning a failing club around", I'd hate to see what we'd been like if it had gone wrong then !!
Last year one trophy, 2 finals, 3 trips to Wembley, European qualification, 8th in PL,
what this year no trophies, no trip to Wembley, no finals, Euro qualification ?, where in PL ?
I agree there does appear to be plenty of work to be done at Liverpool now, but in my opinion as I've said before, I know we finished 8th last year, but there was less work to be done if KK had stayed and I think this year we would have done far better than this.
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I dont think you undertsand my point Andy. What did Dalglish leave behind after his first stint? Not a lot. An aging squad that with some rather odd new faces from memory and no clear direction of where we were going and what we were going to do to get there. I also look at Moores as he had to be instrumental in not getting the club up to speed with the new media age etc. It has absoutely nothing to do with the silverware that Kenny brought in. I remember those days and they were truly fantastic, but there was nothing to follow on. Surprise surprise the next 20 years are relatively empty as we jumped from manager to manager , each doing their own things in their won way. There was no legacy.
Shankly put a team, a methodology, an idea in place and made sure Bob was there to follow. Likewise he did with Fagan. Dalglish followed that again except there was no one to follow, the plan had gone.
All I'm saying with Rodgers is that he and FSG are doing good things behind the scenes. The youth and junior sides are all pointing towards the first team. It's all about everybody doing the same things, the same way, from top to bottom. If Rodgers has to go then fine but don't destroy what he's started because I think there's good in it. Get someone who will follow that same plan and take it forward but still put in place measures that mean you have succession.
Question his methods, results and everything else but please look beyond all of that and look what he's trying to do at the club. We need to catch up and the only way of doing that is building for long term success. That means you need to be thinking long term and doing things for tomorrow as well as today. I find it interesting how City have fizzled out this year. The basics of the plan are spot on in my opinion.
1. Good possession based and attacking football
2. Everything at the club is aligned in the same direction
3. A transfer policy that makes sense at long last.
4. A club that is finally shaking off Hicks & Gillette and getting the finances under control
Without succession you only have short term. Personally I'd prefer to have it a whole lot longer than that. As I said Rodgers may go but don't undo what has started by going off in some completely new direction. You end up nowhere as we Liverpool fans should know better than anyone