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I agree there have been other mistakes, but for me this is the biggest in particular because Allen went from very good, to very bad in a quick period of time and none of us could really figure it out. I appreciate the fact they didn't want to make excuses, but I don't appreciate finding out how truly bad it was, and for whatever reason he was selecting him recently after a stint on the bench. It does raise a fair question about how Lucas is getting on, and quite obvious he's not at his best after the knee, but brings up Jordan and Jonjo
I think BR has gotten a lot of things right, and while I know you're not a fan along with others, in grand scheme of things I'm happy with things he's done, especially since we haven't had a manager who's had to deal with the plethora of issues he has, rather than just being a manager. But I hope in hindsight, he's learned his lesson here, and it will help him focus on what else he needs in the summer aside from the names we can feel fairly certain about, and the others we may cross our fingers over.
This summer will be critical for both Allen and Borini. Fortunately both are very young and we've at least seen what Allen can do on a good day, whereas Borini has not impressed and had 6 months of injuries. He was a very good player at Roma, but he's got to show something this summer or we need to #$%$ adding another striker or two.
Jason...Im as u say not the biggest fan of BR. I do however think he has got certain things right since he took over getting everyone from the Academy on up to play to the same system seems to me a great idea. We seem incapable of consistency, yes we are going to lose some but its the manner in which we have lost some of those games that disturbs me...we play out of our skins v Spurs show plenty of spirit plenty of fight then next game go to St Mary's and...well...u know the rest of the story and that for me is down to BR he has responsibility for the gross inconsistency of his charges. If anyone feels he shouldnt shoulder that responsibility then I d like to ask them just what they think his responsibilities are as our manager ?
This patience with both Borini and Allen I dont understand I think neither of these players is ever going to make the grade here. Borini Im sure will be shown the door before the season opens...does anyone know what his salary is ? Allen im sure BR will give him every chance and more if necessary mores the pity cos think he has no real ability better to let him show up play a few games after injury and get him in the shop window but doubt that will happen 25 mill for these two and everybody is moaning bout 35 mill for Andy C ? How much you think these two would return in the transfer market this summer best thing to do with em is offer em up as makeweights in some deal them plus cash for a player we want. Just hope we dont end up with Williams from Swansea...that would complete the hat trick of Ex Swansea deadlegs !
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I don't want Williams & Ince here.. we surely can do better than them both? I'm sick of us buying very average to mediocre players hoping they'll come good.. buy good players in the first place and watch them become great.
Colin - we know your views which is fine. What I want to know is how would you fix it? Hers a few questions so I know where your coming from.
1) which managers are acceptable to you?
2) 2 centre halves - who?
3) muscle man in the middle - who?
4) striker - is AC the only option?
5) ACM - who?
6) who would you sell and how would you plug the gaps by their departures?
If you answer those I will have a better handle of where your coming from.
Just a slightly different angle guys. Fair points made by both of you by the way. What if Rodgers felt he had no choice because he simply doesn't think the other midfielders aren't good enough. For me that area of the pitch, with or without Allen has been both good and bad for us this year and is the root cause of our inconsistency. I also read that we're interested in the Ajax player Eriksson and along with Ince suggests that we're looking to strengthen that area.
I'm just playing devils advocate because I think our midfield really needs some work.
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That's a fair angle Colyn, and I had actually considered it, but the only water I can pour on it is, Jordan had been very good for a while, and then dropped more for the inclusion of Coutinho and Sturridge while Allen was still sat on the bench. Perhaps it's Jonjo he's lost faith in, because to be honest I can only think of 2-3 appearances in quite some time for Jonjo, and he hasn't done anything worth noting, albeit sometimes tough to do as a younger player off the bench.
I think of those 2, if playing devil's advocate, Jordan offers us much more all around right now. He has alot of pace, can run for days, actually picks good pases when playing with confidence and seems comfortable playing deeper back there, whereas Jonjo is a bit wreckless in the tackle and a more forward thinking midfielder. So, if he's not sold on one or the other, and I had read something that said Jonjo may consider his future, my guess would be he'd go. I'm not saying I want that, but we have 5 midfielders and there's also Connor Coady in the wings, who's been impressive any time we've seen him, and gets rave reviews from the reserves. Not saying he's ready or the answer, but having him in the mix, makes 6, and of them all, I think Gerrard is the one most likely to give a crushing tackle, and Lucas the one to track back and get stuck in. We need one who can do both..
As for Eriksen, the stories are true, which is actually fantastic news to be linked with a player like that for once and actually have very strong foundation behind it. Whether or not the move happens in the summer will depend on many things, but it seems like if the window were open at this minute, Rodgers would spend 16M and seems Eriksen is keen after rejecting a contract. He is of the calibre of the Ozil's, Goetze, Reus, type players in that CAM role behind the striker. If we were to add him with Coutinho, Suarez and either Downing/Sturridge up front, and rely on a strict 2 of Lucas and Gerrard come next season, the pace, speed, control and attack up front would be incredible, and we'd have to rely alot less on 3 mids trying to do 2 people's jobs.
If Eriksen were to come, and the money is made available, then surely Jordan or Jonjo's days may be numbered.. I guess we'll wait and see, but much like when we heard about Suarez and it coming true, it's nice to know we're looking there again, and at this calibre of player with truth behind it.. For all Rodgers' ability at playing coy in certain areas, even he couldn't word his way out of it when forced to comment..