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  • Colyn Colyn Apr 7, 2013 13:05 Flag

    The Ashley Williams debate

    Hello all. I've stayed in the background on this thread as I don't know much about Williams. However, I would like to make 2 points.

    1. Rodgers said in an interview the other day that there are no names out there. It's paper talk in all probability so remember that Williams hasn't signed yet.

    2. I'm surprised at the amount of people who seem to be completely against signing players from "lower teams" or leagues even. You don't have to look far to see literally thousands of examples of where clubs (including Liverpool) have done exactly that and it's worked wonders for both the club and the player. There are such thin lines between the quality of players at times and sometimes it just takes the right coaching, club, other players around them or even tactics to make the difference one way or the other.

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    • Colyn...read yesterday quite an extensive article on a RCB who plays for a Brazilian club side hes been voted player of the yr by his clubs fans and is evidently thought of very highly in Brazil and a shoe in for RCB for the national side sorry cant remember the guys name it was in the football news on this thing here yesterday...think it might have been Gremio he plays for I think his name is DEDE but not sure check it out his club are in need of money and will sell but the price was 15 mill Euros...Arsenal have been watching him and evidently so have we ...he certainly sounds like a far better prospect than another Swansea deadleg but watch lay odds Rogers goes back to the Swansea well of ex players hes managed and gives close to double 15 mill euros for Williams and Arsenal take this guy DEDE who sounds like a very exciting and VERY competent player.

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      • Colin - so you're recommending we buy a guy who can't speak English and expect him to be the teams general? I have no problem with us buying a foreign centre back be ause I suspect we'll need 2 anyway, but one of then must be a fluent speaker and he must be more vocal than the goddam birds that wake me up at 6 every morning! I just don't get how you don't realise with Carra going how crucial this aspect is going to be next season. It is not just ability that we need to be looking at - that's why for me Williams ticks those boxes.

      • Looks like we've missed out on Dede, there are a few sites saying he has gone to another Brazilian club for under 5mil. I guess he probably wants to stay in Brazil until after the world cup ala Neymar.

    • Your absolutely right on your first point, it’s all speculation at this point. What we have to remember is as the real season starts to wind down the silly one will ramp up, and as it’s obvious we'll be in for at least one centre back we will be link with everyone and his mother. I'm not much for predictions, but I'd not be surprised if between now and August if we're not linked with Vincent Komany, John Terry, and Per Mertesacker, just because some bright spark hack will put two and two together knowing a player is reportedly not happy and we want a CB!

      On the second point I agree 100%, although getting this right is the secret sauce for a successful scout. Of course if a player is not home grown he's going to have come from somewhere else, and players at big clubs most likely started at smaller club. The problem is some players seem to go up a level when you surround them with better players, while others just shrink and look invisible. Knowing which is which is the hardest part of picking out the next big thing. It's easy for some to tell you on a message board they know the differences, but professionals who have to make that decision with their livelihood on the line if they get it wrong are not perfect, so doubt any of us know for sure either.