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  • colin colin Apr 7, 2013 23:44 Flag

    The Ashley Williams debate

    Loki...no idea why u assume a 24 yr old Brazilian would not speak English its quite likely he would speak Spanish as well as his own native Portugese. Therefore of our starters he could communicate well to..Reina, Enrique, Couhtino ( Brazilian ,native Portugese speaker ) Suarez, Lucas (Brazilian , native Portugese speaker ) So not too bad for starters but then he may very well speak good english too. Either way he sounds like ten times the player Williams is...againwe see this bias towards all things Rogers eg Williams...there are some hot prospects out there that will come in way cheaper than Williams so why the bias towards buying him in other than the "follow my leader" mentality eg IR(ogers)WT ? btw nothing to say about our performance today v Big Sam's lot ?

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    • Colin, I'd not rule out this Brazilian or anyone else at this point. However I would say a firm command of the English language is a requirement as that is the language all the players use to communicate as a team on the pitch. It’s fine that he could have side conversations with Riena, Jose, Coutinho, Suarez, and Lucas, but if he's to be the leader of the back line I need him to be able to clearly communicate with Glen, Agger, Skrtel (assuming he stays) as well as the central midfielders who you'd expect him to direct in front of him which means Stevie, JonJo, Hendo and Allen, as well as Lucas.

      Brazilian, Spanish, French, Welsh or Martian for that matter, I don't really care, but he'd better be able to communicate, which right or wrong, for LFC means he has to speak English.

    • I mentioned Dede earlier in this thread, what is being said about him in the press certainly makes him out to be the next Thiago Silva or whoever you like. Every big club is being linked with him however, and I also think it's easy to get carried away with a few quotes from the tabloids and the fact that he is Brazilian makes us all believe he will be incredible. He doesn't play for a big club in Brazil and he has never played outside of Brazil, that sounds like a bit of a gamble to be spending 15mil on. I'm happy to leave up to the scouts to decide. To be fair to Rodgers I don't think he has actually said anything about Williams, as Loki said at the start of this thread, it's all paper talk right now.

    • Colin, yes the lad could learn all the English he needs in 3 months. That was a secondary point however. I am talking about immediately being able to command the respect of team-mates. Team mates around him who would learn Very quickly that they will get butt_f*cked if they make mistakes. I am talking about a Souness, a Keane - that type of attitude. I couldn't care if you had read an Encyclopaedia Brittanica sized dossier on Dede, if you haven't seen him play, his name might as well be Doodoo!

      What's funny as well is that you are advocating a player brought up in the Brazilian way of slow passing then all of a sudden BAM! They've got you -ie the type of footy Brendan has brought. Personally I want a no-nonsense take no prisoners type of players who can also play a bit and tear his team-mates to shreds if they balls up or not organise themselves the way he wants them to. Agger can bring the ball out from the back if that's required. We dont need another ball player, we need another Rommel there!

      Who is going to be our commander at the back? I guarantee you it won't be this kid your talking about!

    • Colin, you have ignored my whole point

      1) your recommending we buy a player you have read about - you haven't even seen him play! I presume you have seen Williams so why is this Dede better? Thank god your not scouting for us.
      2) as per the above, you have no idea of the guys leadership qualities, which is crucial to what we need. You haven't made one comment about this what are are your thoughts?
      3) just because the guy speaks Portuguese doesn't mean he will speak Spanish, they are totally separate languages that only look slightly similar written down, in the same way Dutch and German Are. Anyway, we are an English club!

      How you can say let's buy someone you haven't seen is beyond me.