Colin, if you read my other posts then you will know that I have nothing against the guy. How could I? I know nothing beyond what I've read in the papers. I don't know whether you're being deliberately obtuse, but you have not once addressed my point about a centre back general. One who can organise, scream and b0llock team mates when this situation arises. Who is this person? Where is he? We sure don't have one on the books after Carra leaves. Perhaps you don't see this as being important. I do, even Gerrard is an 'lead by example' player, but for me Carra has been the real captain on the team for the last 10 years or so. Come on fella spill the beans!