Will Liverpool or Manchester City be remembered from this Premier League era?

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Liverpool face Manchester City in the Premier League Credit: PA Images
Liverpool face Manchester City in the Premier League Credit: PA Images

Will Manchester City be forgotten because of the money? Will Liverpool be forgotten because it’s just one title?

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Petro-dollar apathy
Have to agree with the suggestion that this current Liverpool side will be remembered with fondness far beyond than anything Manchester City can expect.

Amongst my own friends I can see the apathy and indifference when Chelsea or City get their hands on silverware. They don’t care. Nobody cares outside of their respective fanbase of who understandably care deeply but to the wider football audience there is and will be no appreciation of them beyond their efficiency as trophy gatherers.

The affection for ‘90s Newcastle, the begrudging admiration for Ferguson’s different sides and the early Wenger years glorious mix of physicality and pretty football, that won’t exist for the oil fuelled exploits of the teams in blue.

Maybe it’s the blatant sports-washing, perhaps it’s the financial doping element, either way it’s clear there will be no looking back with with warm fuzzy nostalgic sentiment on these teams and their achievements.

They’re contrived, clinical and soulless.
Eoin, Ireland

Actually…
The mailbox surely brings out all sorts of people with all sorts of unthinkable, imaginary excuses. It’s always fun to read the thoughts of someone who you would not even be able to relate to. So here we go:

Marc: City are more clinical like the United of old. Teams are beaten before the ball is kicked because City are a machine. Liverpool are excellent, but you feel that you can still get away with a point if they are having an off day (which is very rare). City almost never have an off day, and you never see them have and off day. You can stop Sterling, KDB, Jesus just for them to bring on Mahrez, Grealish and co. Its absolute domination and insanity.

Darren: No mate. 10 – 20 – 30 years down the line, we will remember Aguero 90+4, Mo Salah as a player, City’s domination. For all of Liverpool’s brilliance, it is still just one EPL title in 30. That’s not worth remembering for anyone other than Liverpool. In all honesty I don’t remember much of their title winning season for a multitude of reasons, it was boring, there was covid, there were no fans. In no way am I trying to take away from LFC’s achievements, but their short reign hasn’t been memorable at all, similar to Chelsea winning with Conte. It happened, but I couldn’t tell you a single thing about that Chelsea team today. And unfortunately if you tell me to remember Liverpool CL win, it will be 2005 and not their final win over Spurs. The two legs with Barcelona are more memorable than either of Liverpool’s title triumphs. Liverpool need to add at least one more EPL title to cement their time at the top (Just my opinion).

Chelsea, Arsenal and United have created bigger and better legacies, with teams that may have not been as good as the current Liverpool team if I am being honest. It’s unfortunate for Liverpool fans, but I am sure these few seasons will have been the best for them, and maybe that’s all that matters

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Aman (The best LFC team i have seen since i started watching football in 2002)

Dry those salty tears, Liverpool fans
I’ve just spent my lunchtime drinking in all those salty tears in this morning’s mailbox. Slurp Slurp… It’s very amusing that so-called football fans cannot appreciate dazzling football and have to try and package last night’s win into something that meets with their one-eyed narrative.

Marc’s nonsense for example, trying to suggest that teams try harder against Liverpool because they’re….. wait for it…… Liverpool. is laughable. “Chelsea play better against us cause they hate us.” Please…… If anything the opposite is true this season. Man City are current Premier League Champions and one of the reasons why it is so hard to win back to back leagues is because opposing teams always step up when they play the Champions. Opposition teams make sure they have their Ready Brek on the morning of the game when they play the Champions, so they can tell their children in years gone by that they beat the Champions. You hardly say it for a club who didn’t even finish second last season (was it fourth?).

Then we come onto Darren from Stockport, who suggests that City will not really be remembered in years to come. Two words for you Darren – Record Breakers……. These City teams have broken more records than I can remember. I think they broke a record last night for the most consecutive away wins . They have also accumulated a hell of a lot of trophies. You just can’t take these away. You may choose to ignore them but others won’t. In 100 years time when Stockport County (good luck at the weekend) are top of the Premier League and have gone on a huge winning streak, young fans will be checking their Almanacs to see how many more games/points they need to win; they will see little old City at the top of the list and they will say to themselves, blinkin’ ek that team must have been bloody good.

….and finally Ed (the Shamen), prophesising over City Karma. Give me a break. It was a coming together and it’s pretty classless point scoring over what looked like a pretty nasty knee injury. Show some class son.

If we win at West Ham at the weekend, we have both hands minus a little finger on the trophy. It will be a big ask. Moyes always steps up against us. He didn’t take too kindly to the whole Lescott business a few years back and has had it in for us ever since….. wink wink Marc….
Rosie Poppins

…Teams try harder against Liverpool than they do City? Really? Not having that.

London derby tension is a real thing. Arsenal and Chelsea don’t really have a rivalry with Palace but it doesn’t stop our Ed mockingly calling Arsenal “The Arsenal” every time he writes in or Chelsea “the pensioners” – a nickname they’ve not used since the Palace Eagles were the Glaziers.

I once saw a West Ham fan get cross with a Chelsea fan in a pub for having the temerity to celebrate their Champions League win on the day the Hammers were promoted.

And if you look closely on the cover of Iron Maiden’s Somewhere In Time Album – it’s adorned with an Arsenal 2 – West Ham 7 scoreline.

But there’s only one local rivalry that counts as far as I’m concerned and that’s the North London derby.

Liverpool should count their blessings – you have only one local rival and two others from Manchester. Next season there will be seven London clubs in the Premier League. Some will hate that but to be honest I’m going to love it.
Graham Simons, Gooner, Norf London

…I’m not sure that many would agree with Marc about Newcastle, Villa, and Leeds being specifically rivalrous to Liverpool. And indeed he even mentions that Liverpool have a fantastic record against all those teams he mentions (including actual rivals Everton and United) so the argument becomes about the slightly more abstract notion of “energy-sapping”. Doesn’t add up to me but it’s pretty subjective.

Given he mentions my own team, Tottenham, I am sure that City fans can assure him that we are actually one of their boggy teams and regularly win against the odds. By contrast, our record against Liverpool is horrible (until this season but even then we gave City 0 points and Liverpool 2!).

What it did remind me of was the fact that Spurs have three genuine rivals. By this I mean, teams that hate us more than anyone else – Arsenal, Chelsea, and West Ham. I’ve often felt this put us at a slight disadvantage (unlike in Marc’s examples, I think most people would agree these are genuine rivals). I’ve always been interested in why Chelsea in particular hate Spurs so much more than Arsenal. This is despite Arsenal and Chelsea having competed for leagues and cups significantly more than Spurs for much of the Premier League. Witness how many Chelsea fans took the big positive from their recent defeat by Arsenal about it possibly denying Spurs Champions League but didn’t seem bothered about Arsenal getting back in.

Anyway, I was just wondering whether there are any other teams who have 3 or more genuine rivals under the definition I’ve used for Spurs?
Jon L, Kew

Minty is back
Most of the questions around De Bruyne were principally centred on a single question; how often does he actually do it when the pressure is on?

The pressure was on against Real Madrid. It was also on as the game ran on against West Ham in the FA Cup. These were the games in which he produced nothing to help his team over the line. Pointing to a Premier League game after Liverpool already dropped points to Spurs and telling us how well he copes in big games is a pretty silly counter argument.

Marc may have a point but I wonder if it’s more that players grew up when Liverpool was either mega successful or really well supported. Anfield is one of the most famous stadiums in the country so it makes sense players would want to perform against a team like Liverpool (and Man Utd) at a stadium which has so much history behind it. Man City don’t have much of a fan base and their stadium is pretty sterile. It probably doesn’t feel like much of an occasion to turn up there to play. I’d imagine players would be more excited to play at St James Park because of the size of the place and quality of the support.
Minty, LFC

Is school out for summer?
Reading this morning’s mailbox and the endless “we’re more worthy of the title than you” got me looking at my calendar just to check whether we had time hopped to July and the schools had kicked out. Thought I’d add my two penneth worth (I can see a dribbling Minty sat in his underpants over his computer, typing some red tinted missive as we speak)

As a Chelsea fan I can recognise that both sides are brilliantly coached and led by their respective managers. Their styles reflect their manager’s ethos and are different. Their styles reflect the types of players purchased. Yes City do have more financial muscle than perhaps Newcastle, but annoyingly they are very good at spending it on the right players.

Whoever wins the Premier League will deserve it more than the other team and trying to talk about peripheral issues are irrelevant.

Moving on, two more thoughts,

Really fear for the PL with Haaland joining City, they are the leading scorers in the league and they haven’t got an out and out centre forward. With Haaland who knows what they’ll do, Secretly hoping that Germany has flattered him and Pep struggles to fit him into his patterns of play. But that’s just wishful thinking!!!

Finally what a bunch of c**ts Leeds fans are, abusing Kovacic as he was led to the changing rooms with his ankle strapped and an ice ice bag hanging it off it. Thanks to Dan (F**king) James our best midfielder is now out of the FA Cup. Honestly expecting a tonking.
P. Didi

Two-footers? Well Son…
Robbie DFC asks if anyone is as strong in their weaker foot than Kevin Dr Bruyne. The answer was given only about a week ago when Heung-Min Son scored his second outside the box, curler against Leicester in 4 seasons. For evidence of the power he can generate with that foot, look at goals in 2019 against Dortmund where he rifles one into the foot of the net from a tight angle.

Oh, and he just so happens to closing in on that Rooney record that you didn’t want us to talk about, but in his case is entirely relevant!!
Paul (Spurs), T.Wells

…In response to Robbie’s mail about De Bruyne being excellent with both feet, I have to agree. The man seemingly doesn’t have a weak foot. His ability to pass and shoot with either his left or his right is a joy to watch. But the absolute number one when it came to be two footed was El Fenemeno himself, Ronaldo. I urge anyone to find a goal’s compilation from him on YouTube and tell me what his stronger foot was, because I think you will fail.

A special shout out to one of my favourite Arsenal players of recent years too, Santi Cazorla, an absolute wizard with both feet.
Andrew

Arteta has benefited from low expectations
Picking up the article regarding Arteta, it’s worth noting that he has massively benefited from having lowered expectations afforded him. And under those circumstances, and with the squad struggles he’s had to oversee, he’s done very well. Yes, he’s been fortunate that United have been a hot mess, but it’s almost as though knee-jerk reactions are intrinsically misguided. I wonder if these articles would appear without chasing clicks?

Ole on the other hand massively overachieved last season when others lamented their injuries, and with investment in some big players – albeit not the one that was critically needed (just as with Sancho the year before – the former board take at least a year to act) – he was doomed to fail because the expectations were raised.

And also he wasn’t a very good manager, although his honeyed approach definitely got more output from this current squad than a stick has.

Now, is Arteta a good manager? Time will tell, but I’d suggest he’s not really that good. Solid, but not exceptional. But forming a solid squad with some excellent talent is apparently hard to do for managers these days (especially on a relative budget), and yet an incredibly important side of management. Just ask Pep and Klopp, who only win when they have assembled their desired squads – something United managers are yet to be provided with since (and indeed including) Sir Alex.

The biggest risk for Arteta is that, by doing relatively well this season, and returning them to the level Wenger had them at on a shoestring, the expectation will be increased. With Conte (if he stays) and Ten Hag joining the game with money to spend, anything above 5th should be considered a success. Either way, give him time. And maybe do the same with Ten Hag too.
Badwolf

On a terrible Leeds team
Jesse must thing god hates him. Except he grew up in the Bible belt, so knows the only thing to do in times of crisis is double down on dogmatism. The god fearing American in god’s own county will triumph. It what the good book professes.

Unfortunately for Leeds, it’s not moral texts which are the problem but the Red Bull coaching manual. What little faith I had in the Marsch-ssiah has dissipated, we saw how the ideology fared with the godfather of gegenpressing on Saturday against Brighton.

Maybe the sendings-off are part of god’s plan.

He/she works in mysterious ways, or so you hear when things go wrong (never works in mysterious ways when things go well, then it’s always very clear and obviously god’s doing, funny that). Playing with 10 men against good footballing sides might come good, trials and tribulations. Maybe we’ll be magic in the last two games, like a runner having trained uphill in a weighted vest, now unencumbered going downhill. If we have an extra man AND play with some width we’ll have, if anything, too many options in possession.

Or perhaps the good word of S.A.R.D is to blame? For both sendings off (which were both sendings off, no argument here) the players got the ball first. The doctine of S.A.R.D requires Sprinting and Reingehen (“going in”, to attack the ball completely in the tackle, not stopping short of an opponent). Maybe something has been lost in translation from the original ~Greek~ German texts?

In the words of Dan “Soupy” Campbell, if Lot was righteous, I think I’d rather not be. Some Christians are happy to unlearn select teachings, to impose their own moral values and pick and choose passages; for example, maybe god doesn’t hate gays after all. And that’s a good thing for everyone involved. Unfortunately, we are Leeds. We are the Westborough Baptists, and the playing manual from the caffeine soft drink company says you’d better play straight (through the fucking middle). The devil isn’t in the detail, it is it the wide areas. Don’t give in to temptation.

Hopefully there’s some divine intervention before the sacrifice is complete.

Judas already sold out Jesus back in February, now we’re stuck with a Preacher.
Richard Magson
P.S. contains assumptions, not a clue about Jesse’s metaphysical musings. Also, plenty of mixing metaphors, but contradiction doesn’t stop the bible being the best selling book of all time.

P.P.S. F**king hell, we are awful.

…I remember reading at the start of the season on f365 as well as other sites, how Leeds seemed well set to overcome second season syndrome. I completely agreed, I thought the only way was up.

We had a genius at the helm, we kept our “star” players and I felt assured that we would at least repeat our form from the previous season.

So…. What has caused this diversion from mid table mediocrity to a relegation battle? There will be fingers pointed at Bielsa, fingers pointed at Marsch and lastly the players. The board at Leeds have caused this , they alone hold the responsibility of what this season has become.

Just last season Radz and Kinnear spoke about achieving European football in a small number of years. If that was the goal (and if it still is) then significant investment in the squad was needed. If you take a look at the teams that finished around Leeds last season… Arsenal, Aston Villa… they significantly invested in their squads. Granted Villa had to sell Grealish but all that money went back in to the team and they signed a number of high quality players to add depth. We signed Dan James, a player who was not better than what we had. Similar but no better. We had failed to add quality and depth that we so critically needed.

Radz alluded in his sacking of Bielsa, that regardless of how this season went, this was Bielsa’s last season. Jesse Marsch was an appointment they had planned for in the summer (to appease the 49ers part owners no doubt). I cant help but wonder was this in their minds when looking at recruitment. January came and we needed a striker and a midfielder at the minimum. Bielsa noted in one of his conference that he would take any player that was better than what we had. Fast forward to the end of the transfer window and we are linked with Minamino and Aaronsson (former RB Salzburg and current RB Salzburg respectively). Funny how we were connected to 2 of Marsch’s former Salzburg players even while Bielsa was still in charge. Bids were made supposedly but nothing came of either. We went in to the final stretch hoping players would recover from injury (they didn’t really) and that our U23 players would make a difference (they haven’t).

The board need to answer for this season. Bielsa is still a God for most Leeds fans and rightly so. This also isn’t Jesse’s fault. He inherited a below average, relegation worthy team which was made seem special for a period but only because the manager was special.
Barry LUFC

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